[Peace-discuss] The Nation betrayed

Mon Feb 22 20:39:20 CST 2010

"Psychophant" is good. Your coinage?

Michael has associates in town among the clapped-out postmodernists in various
university departments. (Postmodernism itself was always a sham, a way to appear
"radical" while being an academic careerist. Alan Sokal, Terry Eagleton, & 
Chomsky all eviscerated it.)  So you'll probably get your chance. --CGE

unionyes wrote:
> Carl and David, ' I did some brief research on this Michael Berube character
> and his new book you mentioned.
> 
> What a piece of work ! ( or should I just say what I really mean.... what a
> piece of SHIT ! ).
> 
> Him and that Tim Wise fellow who wrote that stupid article right after 
> Obama's election ( " The Election of Obama and The Rage of the Barbituate
> Left " ) that I was compeled to answer with my own article.
> 
> These two must belong to the same neo-liberal elitist psychophant ( ass 
> kissing )club. Hoping to obtain praise and fortune from the corporate  ruling
> class via their attacks upon real champions of the people and anyone who
> wants more democracy, economic justice, and an end to corporate globalization
>  and imperialism.
> 
> I would LOVE to get in this guys face if he ever somes back to C-U to speak
> publicly !
> 
> David J.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> 
> To: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> Cc: "Morton K. Brussel"
> <brussel at illinois.edu>; "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The
> Nation betrayed
> 
> 
>> I agree entirely with David on Alterman & Gitlin (and I would add ex-local
>> boy Michael Berube, who desperately wants to get into that club with his
>> new leftist-bashing book, "The Left at War").
>> 
>> David puts the matter accurately and elegantly: "The ideological 
>> distinctions I'm getting at are not fine ones. They're fundamental: 
>> principled egalitarianism and democracy on the one hand, unprincipled 
>> authoritarianism and elitism on the other."
>> 
>> I won't go quite so far as he, however, on the question of allies. Include
>> the libertarian right, certainly (and the squeamish reluctance of some
>> liberals to admit that Ron Paul et al. are principled opponents of the war
>> does them no credit), without necessarily categorically excluding the
>> "so-called liberal left."  They have some funny ideas, but they may be
>> educable.  (And that last sentence applies to both groups.)  --CGE
>> 
>> 
>> David Green wrote:
>>> Mort, the angst to my anger is that in terms of political strategy, the
>>> antiwar left is going to have to realize that its allies are on the
>>> libertarian right, not on the so-called liberal left. This becomes more
>>> glaringly obvious when you look at the views of someone like Alterman
>>> regarding Israel/Palestine. If the purpose of a political journal is as a
>>> basis for organizing, then I'm really serious about making these
>>> distinctions clear. The record of people like Alterman and Todd Gitlin in
>>> the run-up to the Iraq War also makes it clear: they served primarily as
>>> leftist-bashers. The ideological distinctions I'm getting at are not fine
>>> ones. They're fundamental: principled egalitarianism and democracy on the
>>> one hand, unprincipled authoritarianism and elitism on the other. DG
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>> *From:* Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu> *To:* David Green
>>> <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> *Cc:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>;
>>> Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> *Sent:* Mon, February
>>> 22, 2010 12:14:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] The Nation betrayed
>>> 
>>> It should perhaps occur to you that perhaps Naomi Klein and Jeremy 
>>> Scahill (and others) continue to see the usefulness of /The Nation,/ and
>>> that is why they write for it. They are not stupid. As for Cockburn, who
>>> knows what goes on in his strange head: He has his own publication, so
>>> why continue writing for /The Nation?/  Finally, instead of just
>>> lambasting Alterman, it would be more useful if you told why you consider
>>> him an idiot. I suggest you subscribe to the English editon of Le Monde
>>> Diplomatique. They need support. --mkb
>>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:15 PM, David Green wrote:
>>> 
>>>> After doing some research on the work and views of Eric Alterman this
>>>> weekend, a regular Nation columnist, I've come to the view that people
>>>> like Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill should (for good tactical reasons)
>>>> seriously think about taking their work away from any possible
>>>> association with this idiot. Hitchens was at least honest enough to
>>>> become an official neocon. The Nation should not be supported or taken
>>>> the least bit seriously on the Left, and I suspect Cockburn would
>>>> rightly agree in spite of his association. DG
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu 
>>>> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> *To:* Peace-discuss List
>>>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> *Sent:* Sun, February 21,
>>>> 2010 11:16:30 AM *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] The Nation betrayed
>>>> 
>>>> The Nation magazine has moved steadily to "the center" from an earlier
>>>> left-liberal position for some years now. They embraced neo-liberalism
>>>> in the days of Bill Clinton (delicately referred to as a "DLC
>>>> Democrat"), and some of us condemned them for doing it.
>>>> 
>>>> But it keeps getting worse. As Doug Henwood of the excellent Left 
>>>> Business Observer points out, now not only has The Nation "given a 
>>>> column to the execrable Melissa Harris-Lacewell, they've cut Alexander
>>>> Cockburn back to once a month ... These moves together have the net
>>>> effect of moving the magazine to the right and reducing the quantity of
>>>> stylish prose close to zero."
>>>> 
>>>> With The Progressive joining the Israel Lobby in its condemnation of 
>>>> Norman Finkelstein, the current mode of official liberalism in the US
>>>> continues on its regime-supporting way, providing only token opposition
>>>> ("We have free speech!") as the Democrats (and the Republicans) move
>>>> ever further right.  Toadies.
>>>> 
>>>> --CGE
>>>> 
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