[Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot

[E.Wayne Johnson]

the Question becomes again, What do we do, What do we do?

'tis clear that the real terrorists and enemies of good are not in some
far-off foreign land, but are Right Here at Home.

The Powers that Be have demonstrated to us that it matters not whether we 
elect an
Executive from the Stupid Party or the Evil Party...the Imperialistic 
Amerikan Foreign Wars
continue... the assault on our personal liberties and the plunder of our 
substance,
and the erosion of our well-being progresses unabated.

Obama is clearly doing exactly what he promised to do.  It is ridiculous to 
even Imagine that there should
be regret that we didnt get John McCain, or contrariwise gladness that we 
got Obama instead of McCain.

It is clear that one part of the grassroots anti-war movement was 
astroturfing against Bush by one set of embittered puppet masters.  Note how 
it disintegrated when the false hope was installed into office.  But the 
principles and issues that should be driving the grassroots against the war 
are still in effect.  The need is still there and the problems are getting 
larger under the adminstration of the great fake.

The political system as it exists is mostly very poor theatre.  We should 
not be amused or entertained by what
we are entertaining.    The political system isn't broken.  It's Fixed.  The 
system is rigged to work against Us the People and to create the Illusion 
that we have any sort of say in the speed or direction of the locomotive.

It is time for the facts to be submitted to a candid world.  We the people 
are getting a Raw Deal.   There is a long train of abuses, injuries, and 
usurpations.

The account of insufferable insults to our unalienable rights by the 
bipartisan combine has reached such a level that to do nothing to throw it 
down would make Us the People accomplices to the stupidity and evil.

There are some differences of opinion on some matters among us.  Some of 
those differences are whooped up by partisan chicanery.  Some of the 
differences are more semiotic and linguistic than substantive.   Some of the 
differences are trivial, and some difference are more assumed and imagined 
than real.  Some real differences do exist but perhaps those are not 
sufficient for the breaking of fellowship in a great cause.

We need a National Quorum that is raised against the two-party system for 
the purpose of providing New Guards for our future security.  Imagining that 
the two-party system will bring about a joyous resolution of our problems is 
sheer fantasy.

Certainly there are those who will persist in the old habits, and there are 
those who are still so hope-notized that they will not awake from the 
dreamlike paralytic state.  We cannot count on much help from them.  The 
best we can do is to recognize that the unawake undead walk among us.

It's not just all over the country, it's all over the world that people are 
getting totally fed up.

Yes, there are still those who are so comfortable that they will prefer to 
cower in the dim grey light of conformity.

But for the rest of us...

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
can change the world; indeed it's the only thing that ever has.”

Margaret Mead (1901-1978), American Anthropologist


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot


> What I meant by the subject line is that the real terrorist plot is the 
> Obama administration's policy.
>
> The US is clearly the world's leading terrorist country, but most 
> Americans don't realize that.  --CGE
>
>
> unionyes wrote:
>> " It's far better to explain the real, known history - atrocious enough -
>> than assume that there must be an as yet unknown plot (which I admit is 
>> not
>> impossible). "
>>
>> I agree Carl !
>>
>> But as events are unfolding, and the dust has not yet settled for 
>> historical
>> analysis, one should be aware of what the U.S. government has done in the
>> past, including it's various actions of false flag operations ( Gulf of
>> Tonkin and possibly 9 /11 ) and assisinations, etc. and how they have 
>> used
>> these in their overall propoganda campaign to whip-up public support for
>> their foreign policy and domestic agendas.
>>
>> David J.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" 
>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net> Cc: 
>> "Peace-discuss List"
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:28 
>> AM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
>>
>>
>>> Unfortunately our rulers don't need false-flag operations to influence 
>>> public opinion - an American specialty.
>>>
>>> Moreover they'd take such a great chance of exposure that they'd want to 
>>> do
>>> it only in extreme (or perhaps peripheral) circumstances.
>>>
>>> Remember that the ostensible reason for the invasion of Iraq wasn't 
>>> 9/11 -
>>> it was WMD.  It's true that the US wasn't above cooking the evidence -
>>> e.g., the Niger forgeries and the Bush's (unexecuted) plan, proposed to
>>> Blair, "of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over 
>>> Iraq,
>>> painted in UN colours: if Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach" 
>>> of
>>> UN resolutions.
>>>
>>> And a false-flag operation is different from maneuvering the opponent, 
>>> whom
>>> one wants to attack, into firing the first shot - as Lincoln and 
>>> Roosevelt
>>> apparently did.
>>>
>>> But the "main point" is that, if the real story be told and the actual 
>>> circumstances set out in regard to most of the events you list, the USG
>>> policy stands condemned.  Most Americans have however been led to 
>>> believe
>>> that that policy is benevolent or at worst unknowing.  It's far better 
>>> to
>>> explain the real, known history - atrocious enough - than assume that 
>>> there
>>> must be an as yet unknown plot (which I admit is not impossible).
>>>
>>> It's worthwhile to read the known history of USG plots as contained in 
>>> Tim
>>> Weiner's history of the CIA, Legacy of Ashes, which discusses "1953 coup 
>>> in
>>> Iran 1954 coup in Guatemala 1961 Bay of Pigs, etc." Weiner is no 
>>> leftist,
>>> but he sets out the nefarious (if often inept) actions of the USG in 
>>> those
>>> matters.
>>>
>>> In convincing our fellow citizens that Obama is a criminal, we should 
>>> concentrate on "US national policy, abetted by junior partners in the 
>>> UK,
>>> France and Germany: widening attacks on Afghanistan, an unfolding record 
>>> of
>>> torturing captives to death since 2001, full support for Israel’s
>>> onslaughts on Palestinians and calculated mass murder."
>>>
>>> Solidarity, CGE
>>>
>>>
>>> unionyes wrote:
>>>> Carl,
>>>>
>>>> I think you and Cockburn are missing the main point !
>>>>
>>>> That is, the ruling class has used and continues to use disinformation
>>>> and false flag operations to influence public opinion !
>>>>
>>>> Don't fall into the trap of propoganda that states that ANY reference 
>>>> to
>>>> corporate and/or government collusion or CONSPRICACY is a " conspiracy
>>>> theory " !
>>>>
>>>> Lets review ;
>>>>
>>>> 1953 coup in Iran 1954 coup in Guatemala 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion of 
>>>> Cuba 1963 coup in Iraq and questionable JFK assasination. 1964 coup in
>>>> Brazil and Indonesia 1965 U.S. intervension in Dominican Republic and 
>>>> asasination of Diem in Vietnam. 1966 coup in Zaire ( Congo ) 1967
>>>> assination of Malcolm X 1968 assisnation of Bobby Kennedy and 
>>>> assisnation
>>>> of Dr. King. 1970 mysterious plane crash of Walter Reuther ( UAW Union
>>>> leader ) who pulled the UAW out of the AFL-CIO because of it's support 
>>>> of
>>>> the Vietnam war. 1972 coup in Chile 1974-1975 Church Committee in U.S.
>>>> revealing COINTELLPRO. 1976 coup in Argentina and Operation Condor 2003
>>>> mysterious plane crash of Paul Wellstone and other " mysterious plane
>>>> crashes of " maverick " politicians.
>>>>
>>>> And the BIG one.... 9 / 11 !
>>>>
>>>> To be in denial of the history of the collusion and conspiracies of the
>>>> ruling class against their enemies ( US, the people, their opposition 
>>>> and
>>>>  threat to their rule ) is a BIG MISTAKE !
>>>>
>>>> Know your enemy and their M.O. / past practices !
>>>>
>>>> Should we exclusively focus on possible conspiracies ?
>>>>
>>>> NO !
>>>>
>>>> But to ignore the " tell tale signs " is at our own peril ! Especially
>>>> when the timing of something is just too damn convienent  to the ruling 
>>>> class. Timing is everything !
>>>>
>>>> David J.
>>>>
>>>> David J.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" 
>>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net> Cc: 
>>>> "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent: Saturday,
>>>> January 02, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real 
>>>> terrorist
>>>> plot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I did, and it would be interesting to know the immediate circumstances
>>>>> of this event.  But its general cause is more important - it's a 
>>>>> response to the war that the US has brought to the Mideast.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Cockburn has it right:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The story – now canonized by conspiracists – of the well dressed man
>>>>> trying to finagle a passportless Abdulmutallab onto the plane seems to
>>>>> be without foundation. Now there’s an avalanche of punditry about 
>>>>> Britain’s Islamic minority as the petrie dish in which toxic cultures
>>>>> of militant Islam flourish and multiply. At this rate they’ll soon be
>>>>> deploying the Delta Force in Birmingham and bombing mosques across the
>>>>> Midlands with drones.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The real petrie dish is US national policy, abetted by junior 
>>>>> partners
>>>>> in the UK, France and Germany: widening attacks on Afghanistan, an 
>>>>> unfolding record of torturing captives to death since 2001, full
>>>>> support for Israel’s onslaughts on Palestinians and calculated mass
>>>>> murder. What does a radical imam in the UK or Yemen have to offer as
>>>>> incitement to attack America that is as vividly persuasive as Obama 
>>>>> and
>>>>> Hillary Clinton’s cheerleading for Israel or the posture of the US
>>>>> Congress?"
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be no mystery why these things are happening. --CGE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> unionyes wrote:
>>>>>> Did you read the eye-witness account by the attorney and his wife
>>>>>> from Detroit at www.mlive.com ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should  !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" 
>>>>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "Peace-discuss" 
>>>>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ALEXANDER COCKBURN assesses the real source of terrorism. --CGE]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again hands are raised in stupefaction. How could they have 
>>>>>>> missed him – meaning in this case Umar Abdulmutallab the Nigerian
>>>>>>> bomber on that flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. Why, his own
>>>>>>> father – one of the most powerful bankers in Africa – gave the US
>>>>>>> embassy in Lagos a warning! He was on the US master computer list
>>>>>>> of potential terrorists but never made it on to the watch list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Truthers reject the obvious answers – caution, bureaucratic 
>>>>>>> inertia, buck-passing, turf fights – and say it was a plot. Obama 
>>>>>>> joins Bush and Cheney in the big conspiracy. It won’t be long
>>>>>>> before David Griffin rushes out a book on the affair.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I’m not at all dismayed at evidence that intelligence 
>>>>>>> gathering networks are flawed, that bureaucrats pass the buck. 
>>>>>>> Hyper-efficiency in these matters indicates we have arrived at the 
>>>>>>> perfect police state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course there is room for common sense and elementary vigilance.
>>>>>>> In the case of the Virginia Tech killer there was plenty of
>>>>>>> evidence that Cho Seung-hui was a time bomb waiting to explode.
>>>>>>> Students talked about him as a possible shooter and refused to take
>>>>>>> classes with him. His essays so disturbed one of his teachers with
>>>>>>> their violent ravings that she arranged a secret signal in case she
>>>>>>> needed security during her tutorials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then was there was proof positive that the time bomb had
>>>>>>> exploded and the mass murder session began in the engineering
>>>>>>> building, the police state proved all too human in actual
>>>>>>> performance. The police cowered behind their cruisers until Cho
>>>>>>> Seung-hui finished off the last batch of his 32 victims, then
>>>>>>> killed himself. Then the police bravely rushed in and started
>>>>>>> sticking their guns in the faces of the traumatised students,
>>>>>>> screaming at them to freeze or be shot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Major Hasan offers another bracing illustration of the human
>>>>>>> capacity to avoid unpleasant decisions, like dealing with an Army
>>>>>>> shrink who had Soldier of Islam on his visiting cards, discussed
>>>>>>> openly the ethics of armed resistance to Christian assaults on
>>>>>>> Islam and so forth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But without the advantage of hindsight were the signs that obvious?
>>>>>>> Not really. A Serbian woman I met at a New Years Party says that on
>>>>>>> her way from Abu Dhabi to Seattle she passed though Amsterdam
>>>>>>> airport the same day as Abdulmutallab and security was tight and
>>>>>>> the questioning she got was pretty rigorous. The story – now
>>>>>>> canonized by conspiracists – of the well dressed man trying to
>>>>>>> finagle a passportless Abdulmutallab onto the plane seems to be
>>>>>>> without foundation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now there’s an avalanche of punditry about Britain’s Islamic
>>>>>>> minority as the petrie dish in which toxic cultures of militant
>>>>>>> Islam flourish and multiply. At this rate they’ll soon be deploying
>>>>>>> the Delta Force in Birmingham and bombing mosques across the
>>>>>>> Midlands with drones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The real petrie dish is US national policy, abetted by junior 
>>>>>>> partners in the UK, France and Germany: widening attacks on
>>>>>>> Afghanistan, an unfolding record of torturing captives to death
>>>>>>> since 2001, full support for Israel’s onslaughts on Palestinians
>>>>>>> and calculated mass murder. What does a radical imam in the UK or
>>>>>>> Yemen have to offer as incitement to attack America that is as
>>>>>>> vividly persuasive as Obama and Hillary Clinton’s cheerleading for
>>>>>>> Israel or the posture of the US Congress?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.counterpunch.org/
>>
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