[Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
unionyes
unionyes at ameritech.net
Sun Jan 3 15:44:54 CST 2010
Wayne,
This is an excellent analysis and call to action for the New Year !
Count me in !
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: "E.Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>; "unionyes"
<unionyes at ameritech.net>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
> the Question becomes again, What do we do, What do we do?
>
> 'tis clear that the real terrorists and enemies of good are not in some
> far-off foreign land, but are Right Here at Home.
>
> The Powers that Be have demonstrated to us that it matters not whether we
> elect an
> Executive from the Stupid Party or the Evil Party...the Imperialistic
> Amerikan Foreign Wars
> continue... the assault on our personal liberties and the plunder of our
> substance,
> and the erosion of our well-being progresses unabated.
>
> Obama is clearly doing exactly what he promised to do. It is ridiculous
> to even Imagine that there should
> be regret that we didnt get John McCain, or contrariwise gladness that we
> got Obama instead of McCain.
>
> It is clear that one part of the grassroots anti-war movement was
> astroturfing against Bush by one set of embittered puppet masters. Note
> how it disintegrated when the false hope was installed into office. But
> the principles and issues that should be driving the grassroots against
> the war are still in effect. The need is still there and the problems are
> getting larger under the adminstration of the great fake.
>
> The political system as it exists is mostly very poor theatre. We should
> not be amused or entertained by what
> we are entertaining. The political system isn't broken. It's Fixed.
> The system is rigged to work against Us the People and to create the
> Illusion that we have any sort of say in the speed or direction of the
> locomotive.
>
> It is time for the facts to be submitted to a candid world. We the people
> are getting a Raw Deal. There is a long train of abuses, injuries, and
> usurpations.
>
> The account of insufferable insults to our unalienable rights by the
> bipartisan combine has reached such a level that to do nothing to throw it
> down would make Us the People accomplices to the stupidity and evil.
>
> There are some differences of opinion on some matters among us. Some of
> those differences are whooped up by partisan chicanery. Some of the
> differences are more semiotic and linguistic than substantive. Some of
> the differences are trivial, and some difference are more assumed and
> imagined than real. Some real differences do exist but perhaps those are
> not sufficient for the breaking of fellowship in a great cause.
>
> We need a National Quorum that is raised against the two-party system for
> the purpose of providing New Guards for our future security. Imagining
> that the two-party system will bring about a joyous resolution of our
> problems is sheer fantasy.
>
> Certainly there are those who will persist in the old habits, and there
> are those who are still so hope-notized that they will not awake from the
> dreamlike paralytic state. We cannot count on much help from them. The
> best we can do is to recognize that the unawake undead walk among us.
>
> It's not just all over the country, it's all over the world that people
> are getting totally fed up.
>
> Yes, there are still those who are so comfortable that they will prefer to
> cower in the dim grey light of conformity.
>
> But for the rest of us...
>
> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens
> can change the world; indeed it's the only thing that ever has.”
>
> Margaret Mead (1901-1978), American Anthropologist
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
>
>
>> What I meant by the subject line is that the real terrorist plot is the
>> Obama administration's policy.
>>
>> The US is clearly the world's leading terrorist country, but most
>> Americans don't realize that. --CGE
>>
>>
>> unionyes wrote:
>>> " It's far better to explain the real, known history - atrocious
>>> enough -
>>> than assume that there must be an as yet unknown plot (which I admit is
>>> not
>>> impossible). "
>>>
>>> I agree Carl !
>>>
>>> But as events are unfolding, and the dust has not yet settled for
>>> historical
>>> analysis, one should be aware of what the U.S. government has done in
>>> the
>>> past, including it's various actions of false flag operations ( Gulf of
>>> Tonkin and possibly 9 /11 ) and assisinations, etc. and how they have
>>> used
>>> these in their overall propoganda campaign to whip-up public support for
>>> their foreign policy and domestic agendas.
>>>
>>> David J.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net> Cc:
>>> "Peace-discuss List"
>>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:28
>>> AM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
>>>
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately our rulers don't need false-flag operations to influence
>>>> public opinion - an American specialty.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover they'd take such a great chance of exposure that they'd want
>>>> to do
>>>> it only in extreme (or perhaps peripheral) circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> Remember that the ostensible reason for the invasion of Iraq wasn't
>>>> 9/11 -
>>>> it was WMD. It's true that the US wasn't above cooking the evidence -
>>>> e.g., the Niger forgeries and the Bush's (unexecuted) plan, proposed to
>>>> Blair, "of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over
>>>> Iraq,
>>>> painted in UN colours: if Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach"
>>>> of
>>>> UN resolutions.
>>>>
>>>> And a false-flag operation is different from maneuvering the opponent,
>>>> whom
>>>> one wants to attack, into firing the first shot - as Lincoln and
>>>> Roosevelt
>>>> apparently did.
>>>>
>>>> But the "main point" is that, if the real story be told and the actual
>>>> circumstances set out in regard to most of the events you list, the USG
>>>> policy stands condemned. Most Americans have however been led to
>>>> believe
>>>> that that policy is benevolent or at worst unknowing. It's far better
>>>> to
>>>> explain the real, known history - atrocious enough - than assume that
>>>> there
>>>> must be an as yet unknown plot (which I admit is not impossible).
>>>>
>>>> It's worthwhile to read the known history of USG plots as contained in
>>>> Tim
>>>> Weiner's history of the CIA, Legacy of Ashes, which discusses "1953
>>>> coup in
>>>> Iran 1954 coup in Guatemala 1961 Bay of Pigs, etc." Weiner is no
>>>> leftist,
>>>> but he sets out the nefarious (if often inept) actions of the USG in
>>>> those
>>>> matters.
>>>>
>>>> In convincing our fellow citizens that Obama is a criminal, we should
>>>> concentrate on "US national policy, abetted by junior partners in the
>>>> UK,
>>>> France and Germany: widening attacks on Afghanistan, an unfolding
>>>> record of
>>>> torturing captives to death since 2001, full support for Israel’s
>>>> onslaughts on Palestinians and calculated mass murder."
>>>>
>>>> Solidarity, CGE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> unionyes wrote:
>>>>> Carl,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you and Cockburn are missing the main point !
>>>>>
>>>>> That is, the ruling class has used and continues to use disinformation
>>>>> and false flag operations to influence public opinion !
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't fall into the trap of propoganda that states that ANY reference
>>>>> to
>>>>> corporate and/or government collusion or CONSPRICACY is a " conspiracy
>>>>> theory " !
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets review ;
>>>>>
>>>>> 1953 coup in Iran 1954 coup in Guatemala 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion of
>>>>> Cuba 1963 coup in Iraq and questionable JFK assasination. 1964 coup in
>>>>> Brazil and Indonesia 1965 U.S. intervension in Dominican Republic and
>>>>> asasination of Diem in Vietnam. 1966 coup in Zaire ( Congo ) 1967
>>>>> assination of Malcolm X 1968 assisnation of Bobby Kennedy and
>>>>> assisnation
>>>>> of Dr. King. 1970 mysterious plane crash of Walter Reuther ( UAW Union
>>>>> leader ) who pulled the UAW out of the AFL-CIO because of it's support
>>>>> of
>>>>> the Vietnam war. 1972 coup in Chile 1974-1975 Church Committee in U.S.
>>>>> revealing COINTELLPRO. 1976 coup in Argentina and Operation Condor
>>>>> 2003
>>>>> mysterious plane crash of Paul Wellstone and other " mysterious plane
>>>>> crashes of " maverick " politicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the BIG one.... 9 / 11 !
>>>>>
>>>>> To be in denial of the history of the collusion and conspiracies of
>>>>> the
>>>>> ruling class against their enemies ( US, the people, their opposition
>>>>> and
>>>>> threat to their rule ) is a BIG MISTAKE !
>>>>>
>>>>> Know your enemy and their M.O. / past practices !
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we exclusively focus on possible conspiracies ?
>>>>>
>>>>> NO !
>>>>>
>>>>> But to ignore the " tell tale signs " is at our own peril ! Especially
>>>>> when the timing of something is just too damn convienent to the
>>>>> ruling class. Timing is everything !
>>>>>
>>>>> David J.
>>>>>
>>>>> David J.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>>>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net> Cc:
>>>>> "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent:
>>>>> Saturday,
>>>>> January 02, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The real
>>>>> terrorist
>>>>> plot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did, and it would be interesting to know the immediate
>>>>>> circumstances
>>>>>> of this event. But its general cause is more important - it's a
>>>>>> response to the war that the US has brought to the Mideast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Cockburn has it right:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The story – now canonized by conspiracists – of the well dressed man
>>>>>> trying to finagle a passportless Abdulmutallab onto the plane seems
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be without foundation. Now there’s an avalanche of punditry about
>>>>>> Britain’s Islamic minority as the petrie dish in which toxic cultures
>>>>>> of militant Islam flourish and multiply. At this rate they’ll soon be
>>>>>> deploying the Delta Force in Birmingham and bombing mosques across
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Midlands with drones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The real petrie dish is US national policy, abetted by junior
>>>>>> partners
>>>>>> in the UK, France and Germany: widening attacks on Afghanistan, an
>>>>>> unfolding record of torturing captives to death since 2001, full
>>>>>> support for Israel’s onslaughts on Palestinians and calculated mass
>>>>>> murder. What does a radical imam in the UK or Yemen have to offer as
>>>>>> incitement to attack America that is as vividly persuasive as Obama
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton’s cheerleading for Israel or the posture of the US
>>>>>> Congress?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be no mystery why these things are happening. --CGE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> unionyes wrote:
>>>>>>> Did you read the eye-witness account by the attorney and his wife
>>>>>>> from Detroit at www.mlive.com ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David J.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>>>>>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "Peace-discuss"
>>>>>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:15 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] The real terrorist plot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [ALEXANDER COCKBURN assesses the real source of terrorism. --CGE]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again hands are raised in stupefaction. How could they have
>>>>>>>> missed him – meaning in this case Umar Abdulmutallab the Nigerian
>>>>>>>> bomber on that flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. Why, his own
>>>>>>>> father – one of the most powerful bankers in Africa – gave the US
>>>>>>>> embassy in Lagos a warning! He was on the US master computer list
>>>>>>>> of potential terrorists but never made it on to the watch list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Truthers reject the obvious answers – caution, bureaucratic
>>>>>>>> inertia, buck-passing, turf fights – and say it was a plot. Obama
>>>>>>>> joins Bush and Cheney in the big conspiracy. It won’t be long
>>>>>>>> before David Griffin rushes out a book on the affair.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I’m not at all dismayed at evidence that intelligence
>>>>>>>> gathering networks are flawed, that bureaucrats pass the buck.
>>>>>>>> Hyper-efficiency in these matters indicates we have arrived at the
>>>>>>>> perfect police state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course there is room for common sense and elementary vigilance.
>>>>>>>> In the case of the Virginia Tech killer there was plenty of
>>>>>>>> evidence that Cho Seung-hui was a time bomb waiting to explode.
>>>>>>>> Students talked about him as a possible shooter and refused to take
>>>>>>>> classes with him. His essays so disturbed one of his teachers with
>>>>>>>> their violent ravings that she arranged a secret signal in case she
>>>>>>>> needed security during her tutorials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then was there was proof positive that the time bomb had
>>>>>>>> exploded and the mass murder session began in the engineering
>>>>>>>> building, the police state proved all too human in actual
>>>>>>>> performance. The police cowered behind their cruisers until Cho
>>>>>>>> Seung-hui finished off the last batch of his 32 victims, then
>>>>>>>> killed himself. Then the police bravely rushed in and started
>>>>>>>> sticking their guns in the faces of the traumatised students,
>>>>>>>> screaming at them to freeze or be shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Major Hasan offers another bracing illustration of the human
>>>>>>>> capacity to avoid unpleasant decisions, like dealing with an Army
>>>>>>>> shrink who had Soldier of Islam on his visiting cards, discussed
>>>>>>>> openly the ethics of armed resistance to Christian assaults on
>>>>>>>> Islam and so forth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But without the advantage of hindsight were the signs that obvious?
>>>>>>>> Not really. A Serbian woman I met at a New Years Party says that on
>>>>>>>> her way from Abu Dhabi to Seattle she passed though Amsterdam
>>>>>>>> airport the same day as Abdulmutallab and security was tight and
>>>>>>>> the questioning she got was pretty rigorous. The story – now
>>>>>>>> canonized by conspiracists – of the well dressed man trying to
>>>>>>>> finagle a passportless Abdulmutallab onto the plane seems to be
>>>>>>>> without foundation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now there’s an avalanche of punditry about Britain’s Islamic
>>>>>>>> minority as the petrie dish in which toxic cultures of militant
>>>>>>>> Islam flourish and multiply. At this rate they’ll soon be deploying
>>>>>>>> the Delta Force in Birmingham and bombing mosques across the
>>>>>>>> Midlands with drones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The real petrie dish is US national policy, abetted by junior
>>>>>>>> partners in the UK, France and Germany: widening attacks on
>>>>>>>> Afghanistan, an unfolding record of torturing captives to death
>>>>>>>> since 2001, full support for Israel’s onslaughts on Palestinians
>>>>>>>> and calculated mass murder. What does a radical imam in the UK or
>>>>>>>> Yemen have to offer as incitement to attack America that is as
>>>>>>>> vividly persuasive as Obama and Hillary Clinton’s cheerleading for
>>>>>>>> Israel or the posture of the US Congress?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.counterpunch.org/
>>>
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