[Peace-discuss] How to win in November: jobs & income

[E.Wayne Johnson]

How so?  Inflation is a regressively structured tax on the entire population.

Are you hoping that Inflation will kill the Evil Empire and end the wars or
do you have some other hope in mind?
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  From: David Green 
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  It looks like to me that a readjustment of the dollar downward and the RMB upward is inevitable.


  In this case, I think "inevitable" means "a good thing."






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  From: E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
  To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>; John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>; C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
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  No, probably not.  But I don't think the deficit (or the cumulative national debt) is in any way "chimerical"  I think it's very real, and the interest on it alone saps something like a third of all the income taxes we Americans pay.  We owe real money to real lenders; or else the Fed is simply printing money, which devalues the currency and creates inflation.  Either way or both ways, there's nothing chimerical about it.
  About 2 trillion of US government debt is held by the Chinese, who recently downgraded the quality of that paper from AAA to AA.  The Chinese wont willingly buy more US debt.

  The current rate of inflation is about 6%.   It is currently misreported as about 2.5% via the trick called geometric adjustment of the CPI.  An accurate reporting of inflation will cause mass chaos so they dont dare tell the truth.

  At an AWARE meeting several months ago I made the statement that the value of the US dollar would fall by 50% in the next year.  If one considers the price of gold as a measure of the value of the dollar, indeed the dollar has lost about 50% of its value, howbeit it took longer than I said it was going to.  Part of that loss in value has been mediated somewhat by trading in virtual gold (gold that doesnt exist).  The Chinese recently also stated that the dollar has lost 50% of its value, and are no longer buying Treasury bills but are buying gold like its going out of style.  They have chosen print Renminbi at the same rate that the Fed prints dollars thus maintaining the peg to the dollar.  

  There was somewhat of a sell off of Treasury bills by the Chinese some time back but they seem to have agreed to desist rather than shake the house down.

    In any event, deficit spending now is needed to put people to work, and eventually bring the deficit in line with historical levels. Given the shortage of demand, there is no concern about inflation--in fact, deflation is more of a concern. Our currency needs to be devalued in relation to the Chinese, but that will only make domestic products more competitive. Again, that's a different (but related) issue.
  The RMB has been historically drastically undervalued relative to the dollar.  There was a small adjustment some time back from 8.2xxx to 6.8xxx. The black market rate used to be 10 while the bank would give 8.23xx.  No one in China much wants dollars presently.   Devaluing the dollar will harm Chinese exports but cause Americans to pay more for what they buy, and the Chinese will pay less for the raw materials and feedstuffs they buy.   US debt is no longer considered to be a safe haven.  It looks like to me that a readjustment of the dollar downward and the RMB upward is inevitable.








    DG


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    From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
    To: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
    Cc: peace discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
    Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 10:18:25 PM
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    On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:27 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:

     
      "...beyond the scope of this post"?! Come on, John. When did you think anything to be beyond the scope of your posts?


    *smile*


      You're right that Americans are much more concerned about jobs than about the deficit - in spite of all that Republicans and Democrats and the entire MSM can do to get them worried about the chimerical deficit - but Americans doubt (correctly) that the war is producing many jobs. Our mercenary army, of course, and some arms manufacturing jobs - but they'd be there anyway. (Israel e.g. needs weapons.)  Americans' first reaction to an announcement that the US is withdrawing its troops from the Mideast would not be, "Oh, no, there go our jobs!"

    No, probably not.  But I don't think the deficit (or the cumulative national debt) is in any way "chimerical"  I think it's very real, and the interest on it alone saps something like a third of all the income taxes we Americans pay.  We owe real money to real lenders; or else the Fed is simply printing money, which devalues the currency and creates inflation.  Either way or both ways, there's nothing chimerical about it.


      In fact a withdrawal of US expeditionary forces abroad would produce a clamor for "building up our defenses" - and probably scotch any attempt (like the Barney Frank-Ron Paul proposal) to reduce the military.

    Probably.  Because we (collectively) still believe in the "terrorist" bogeyman, and have absolutely no concept of how American foreign policy creates and sustains what terrorists there are around the world.


      How about spending the money going to war actually to hire people (maybe even to do useful work, like building mass transit)?  The $33.5 billion "supplemental" war budget the House just passed would pay a lot of wages and salaries - more than it's doing through the profit-heavy "defense" industries.

    Well, of course I agree with you here.  But apparently a majority of Americans don't....or at least our "leaders" don't.


      We need a movement (in any political party) that demands the federal government provide a living-wage job to anyone who wants one. 

    Though I think your suggestion here is overly simplistic, it would be lovely.



      On 7/14/10 9:02 PM, John W. wrote:


        On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu

        <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

        [And no one believes any more that the Democrats will provide that. People
        are beginning to notice that the war is making us poor. --CGE]

        I think not, Carl.  The reality is that war generally creates jobs but adds
        to the deficit.  America's loss of jobs over the past 30 years is due, not to
        war, but to other factors beyond the scope of this post.  Since according to
        the poll Americans are much more concerned about jobs than about the deficit,
        this would support the very opposite of your tortured reasoning.

        Americans Really Care About Jobs; Deficit, Not so Much By: Jon Walker
        Wednesday July 14, 2010 8:01 am

        While collective deficit hysteria fully grips Washington, what the American
        people really care about is jobs and the economy. According to a new CBS News
        poll, 38 percent of Americans think the most important problem facing our
        country is the economy and jobs. Second is the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
        at seven percent. Health care comes in third at about six percent, and all
        the way back in fourth place, with a mere five percent, is the budget deficit
        and national debt.

        I have said it before, but since members of Congress are descending into
        highly destructive deficit insanity, it needs to be said again. The American
        people don’t really care about the deficit. They consider it to be an issue
        that should eventually get addressed but is a low priority right now. As
        common sense would dictate, with almost 10 percent official unemployment and
        a serious problem of long-term unemployment, what the American people care
        about is jobs.

        When the poll specifically asked people for the most important economic
        problem facing the country, the top response, again at 38 percent, was jobs
        and unemployment. That number is even slightly higher when you consider that
        three percent chose the issue of jobs going overseas. The collective topic of
        budget, national debt and government spending was the top priority for only
        10 percent of the country.

        For Washington politicians to obsess about the deficit at the expense of job
        creation and protection is clearly not what most Americans want their leaders
        to do. Doing the opposite of what the voters want is an even worse political
        move, considering that increasing average real disposable income is a
        significant predictor of how well the incumbent party will do in the next
        election. So, refusing to extend unemployment insurance, continue COBRA
        subsidies and provide aid to local governments to prevent massive teacher
        layoffs right before an election is a bad move for the party in power. It is
        even worse because the main excuse given for the focus on the deficit, bond
        vigilantes, is nothing more than a Washington, DC fever dream with no basis
        in reality. The cost of American borrowing is still much lower than even a
        few years ago.

        So, this deficit hysteria is not only misguided policy and morally cruel but
        also extremely bad politics. The pollsters and political advisers who have
        convinced Democrats to focus on the issue at the expense of aiding regular
        Americans are either secretly trying to destroy the party or are incompetent.
        Either way, they should have been fired yesterday.

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