[Peace-discuss] House Votes Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars

[C. G. Estabrook]

David--

Your petulance is a small price to pay for your conversion on the matter - but
I'm worried about your denial that any conversion has taken place.

Tim explained his change of  mind.  He said that he'd voted for the invasions of
Afghanistan and Iraq - and that he was wrong to do so.

Were you wrong to support Rory Stewart's call for continuing occupation? --CGE


On 7/29/10 10:09 AM, David Gill wrote:
> As I indicated, Carl, your recall is indeed poor...but perhaps it's not your
>  memory that's at
>
> fault-- perhaps you simply want to diminish enthusiasm for Gill 2010 with
> your distortions/falsehoods?
>
> Your blithe dismissal of my previous campaigns was off by a sizable and
> important amount...
>
> I received 42.5% last time, i.e., was defeated 4-3. You needn't depend on
> your fuzzy memory,
>
> though-- facts such as these are readily accessible.
>
> Yes, Carl, you can interpret my remark as the equivalent of Tim's pledge to
> vote against funding
>
> for war in the Middle East (with the withdrawal proviso)?
>
> I disagree with your assertion that "that is quite a change for you"-- my
> entire life has been
>
> dedicated to improving and preserving the lives of my fellow men and
> women.... I find your
>
> pigeon-holing of me as an associate of Bush or Obama to be far from the truth
>  and terribly simplistic.
>
> How interesting, too, that the man who feels that we need not "plumb the
> souls" of candidates, now
>
> asks me of my "change of mind"?? Suffice it to say that unlike my opponent,
> whose votes have
>
> resulted in the deaths of millions, I am not engaged in simple political
> opportunism. And that when
>
> the next war is supported by 80% of the voters of IL-15, I won't be raising
> my fist and joining in the
>
> mass insanity, as my opponent has done in the past and will do in the
> future.
>
> David Gill
>
>
>
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*From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> *To:* David Gill <davidgill2010 at yahoo.com> *Cc:* Stuart Levy
> <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>; Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net>;
> david at gill2010.com; Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Wed, July 28, 2010 3:58:59 PM *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] House
> Votes Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars
>
> Come on, David: Obama dangled that "withdraw the vast majority of our
> troops" (just as soon as the job is done) before the voters in the last
> election.
>
> Your vote in your previous outings has been between 30-40% each time, as I
> recall. Something near to 33.3% of the vote means that you got one vote for
> every two that went elsewhere. But maybe it was closer to 3-2. Good for you.
>
> I'm interested to read your admission that you've "come to the conclusion
> that even leaving a few thousand troops in Afghanistan/Pakistan is unwise" -
> that is quite a change for you - but I'd like to hear more about your change
> of mind. Have you decided that killing people in the Mideast is criminal, or
> just that it's not working very well (in the light of the Wikileaks
> documents)?
>
> And it's good to hear that you would "support no AfPak military funding
> other than that necessary to bring all of our troops home now." But what
> about Iraq? Somalia? Yemen? Can we interpret your remark as the equivalent of
> Tim's pledge to vote against funding for war in the Middle East (with the
> withdrawal proviso)? He is as you know voting that way.
>
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