[Peace-discuss] House Votes Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars

[E.Wayne Johnson]

Some local Democrat voters are unhappy with TJ's opposition to the war.

I personally think that TJ is too old and tired to fake it at this late stage of the game and 
that his recent voting record seems to speak for itself and may indeed represent a 
change from previously held views.  Actually there is nothing wrong with that.
"We'd all love to change your head."

The upshot is that the war is not an issue in this election if we
are to believe you.  Don't be offended by that.  I think it was
Mort who suggested that statements by candidates lack credibility while 
they are pursuing office.  Let's assume your complete sincerity for the moment.
That should be reasonable enough.

Can you tell us how you feel about the bailouts, the massive incarceration of 
American citizens, the trashing of constitutional rights, the unconstitutionality 
of the current endless war, spying on American citizens, regulation of the internet,
transparency in government, limitations on public debate, ballot access, opinion shaping by the 
mainstream media, root problems with the local and national economy, and monetary policy?

That's lots of stuff in one question but you can address each one in sequence.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Gill 
  To: C. G. Estabrook 
  Cc: Brussel Morton K. ; Peace-discuss List ; Stuart Levy 
  Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] House Votes Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars


  As I indicated, Carl, your recall is indeed poor...but perhaps it's not your memory that's at

   fault-- perhaps you simply want to diminish enthusiasm for Gill 2010 with your distortions/falsehoods?

   

  Your blithe dismissal of my previous campaigns was off by a sizable and important amount... 

  I received 42.5% last time, i.e., was defeated 4-3.  You needn't depend on your fuzzy memory,

   though-- facts such as these are readily accessible.

   

  Yes, Carl, you can interpret my remark as the equivalent of Tim's pledge to vote against funding

   for war in the Middle East (with the withdrawal proviso)? 

   

  I disagree with your assertion that "that is quite a change for you"-- my entire life has been

   dedicated to improving and preserving the lives of my fellow men and women.... I find your

   pigeon-holing of me as an associate of Bush or Obama to be far from the truth and terribly simplistic.

    How interesting, too, that the man who feels that we need not "plumb the souls" of candidates, now

   asks me of my "change of mind"??  Suffice it to say that unlike my opponent, whose votes have

   resulted in the deaths of millions, I am not engaged in simple political opportunism.  And that when

   the next war is supported by 80% of the voters of IL-15, I won't be raising my fist and joining in the

   mass insanity, as my opponent has done in the past and will do in the future.

   

  David Gill






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  From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
  To: David Gill <davidgill2010 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>; Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net>; david at gill2010.com; Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
  Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 3:58:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] House Votes Today on Afghan, Pakistan Wars

  Come on, David: Obama dangled that "withdraw the vast majority of our troops" 
  (just as soon as the job is done) before the voters in the last election.

  Your vote in your previous outings has been between 30-40% each time, as I 
  recall.  Something near to 33.3% of the vote means that you got one vote for 
  every two that went elsewhere.  But maybe it was closer to 3-2.  Good for you.

  I'm interested to read your admission that you've "come to the conclusion that 
  even leaving a few thousand troops in Afghanistan/Pakistan is unwise" - that is 
  quite a change for you - but I'd like to hear more about your change of mind. 
  Have you decided that killing people in the Mideast is criminal, or just that 
  it's not working very well (in the light of the Wikileaks documents)?

  And it's good to hear that you would "support no AfPak military funding other 
  than that necessary to bring all of our troops home now."  But what about Iraq? 
  Somalia? Yemen?  Can we interpret your remark as the equivalent of Tim's pledge 
  to vote against funding for war in the Middle East (with the withdrawal 
  proviso)?  He is as you know voting that way.









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