[Peace-discuss] [Discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: Fw: What hath got rot?

Fri Mar 26 12:32:07 CDT 2010

Oops!  Did I say a quarter of a million?  I misspoke----someone privately
emailed to correct me------Correction to previous email:

Silly me----I meant to say, more than a half-million (conservative estimate)
in C-U property alone ----add to that personal assets, medical insurance
packages from the University times two, University pension packages times
two----  So, I guess that makes their combined package putting them in the
(or close to---or above) millionaires?

just clarifying...

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:00 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I appreciate the information and elucidation on all fronts. I think what
> needs to be said, in the final analysis, is that the Democrats who supported
> a meaningful public option could have had it, if they had been willing to
> demand it and insist on it as a condition of their support. They didn't do
> it, they wouldn't do it, and from that we need to learn some important
> things about the so-called two-party system, if we already haven't.
>
> DG
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net>; Claudia Lennhoff <
> claudia at shout.net>
> *Cc:* JWJ C-U <centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>; sf-core <
> sf-core at yahoogroups.com>; william gorrell <laborhour at yahoo.com>; Jim Eyman
> <banjogramps at yahoo.com>; Tristan geo/iww B <tristan.bunner at gmail.com>; C-U
> Citzens for Peace and Justice <discuss at lists.communitycourtwatch.org>;
> Damien Mathew <dmathew at mailaps.org>; Dan Elgin ( 2nd e-mail ) <
> danelgin at gmail.com>; Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
> Bill Gorrell <laborer at mchsi.com>
> *Sent:* Fri, March 26, 2010 10:36:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: Fw: What hath
> got rot?
>
>   Wow, Claudia, this was AWESOME!! Thanks for taking the time to enlighten
> us further!! Thanks also for yr very kind offer to personally help those who
> may be eligible for better healthcare coverage and don't know it yet. I'll
> echo what others have already said: we're so grateful for you and everyone
> else connected w/ CCHCC, and for all the wonderful things that CCHCC has
> done for our community and its residents over the decades.
> A friend died recently after a long and dreadful illness. Fortunately, he
> was a WWll vet and had excellent care and insurance, or it would have
> bankrupted his family. The family asked that, in lieu of flowers, memorial
> contributions be made to a local charity, and I will be sending CCHCC a
> check in his name.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Fri, 3/26/10, Claudia Lennhoff <claudia at shout.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Claudia Lennhoff <claudia at shout.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [Discuss] Fw: What hath got
> rot?
> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
> Cc: "JWJ C-U" <centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>, "Dave Powers" <
> pengdust at aol.com>, "Neil Parthun" <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>, "sf-core" <
> sf-core at yahoogroups.com>, "william gorrell" <laborhour at yahoo.com>, "Jim
> Eyman" <banjogramps at yahoo.com>, "Tristan geo/iww B" <
> tristan.bunner at gmail.com>, "C-U Citzens for Peace and Justice" <
> discuss at lists.communitycourtwatch.org>, "Damien Mathew" <
> dmathew at mailaps.org>, "Dan Elgin ( 2nd e-mail )" <danelgin at gmail.com>,
> "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Bill Gorrell" <
> laborer at mchsi.com>
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:59 AM
>
> This is a pretty disappointing and unhelpful turn of the discussion.
>
> If someone wants to know whether and how they will benefit from this plan,
> you can e-mail me -- I'll ask you some questions, and then get back to you
> with some information.
>
> "The working poor will not benefit from this bill." Really? Explain to me
> how the working poor will not benefit.
>
> Is it because you have the idea that "those of us who make around
> $1000/month will NEVER, EVER be able to afford the $200-300/month minimum
> premiums?" Where is it that you have read that if you have a $12,000 a year
> income, you will have to purchase health insurance with a premium of up to
> $300/mo.? This is simply not true under the health reform law.
>
> Here are some facts about the new health reform law (this doesn't include
> what is in the budget reconciliation bill, since that has not yet passed)
> (oh yeah, and this information does NOT come from the corporate media or the
> Democratic party -- those are not CCHCC's go-to sources):
>
> Medicaid is being expanded tremendously, AND the assets test is being done
> away with (so, having burial insurance will no longer push you over the
> limit financially and prevent you from qualifying for Medicaid), as well as
> the requirement that Medicaid only be available to adults who have minor
> children (many states have this requirement).
>
> So, this means that, under the new law (the budget reconciliation act will
> expand it further), single or married adults, working or non-working,
> parents or non-parents, who have incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty
> level ($14,412 annual for an individual; $24,360 annual for a family of 3)
> will be eligible for Medicaid health insurance, and will have NO premiums.
>
> You think this won't help the working poor? Consider the working poor of
> Missouri. Current Medicaid eligibility in Missouri is dismal.
>
> A working parent in Missouri *may* qualify for Medicaid if their income is
> at 42% of the federal poverty level or below. That is an income of about
> $4,500. That's right -- $4,500 annual income. You must earn BELOW that, to
> qualify for Medicaid.
>
> Now take a non-working parent in Missouri. They *may* qualify for Medicaid
> in Missouri if their income is at 22% federal poverty level or below. That
> is an annual income of under $2,400.
>
> There are states with even worse Medicaid eligibility criteria than
> Missouri -- imagine having to have an income lower than $3,000 annually in
> order to qualify for Medicaid. And now it will go up to at least $14,412.
>
> Medicaid is a public option health insurance requiring no premium, and
> typically no co-pays (co-pays may be between $1 - $3).
>
> A huge proportion of the people who may not qualify for Medicaid but will
> instead get private insurance through the health exchange will qualify for
> subsidies to help make that insurance more affordable.
>
> For example, an individual making $24,000 who has to buy private health
> insurance will be asked to pay 31% of the health insurance premium, up to
> $1,693 annually. An individual making $19,000 will be asked to pay 18% of
> the premium, up to $982 a year.
>
> There will be no co-pays or co-insurance for preventive care visits -- so
> mammograms, annual exams, colonoscopies, etc. will not cost anything out of
> pocket. There will be caps on out-of-pocket expenses so if someone requires
> a lot of care and has to pay co-pays or co-insurance, they will have
> financial protection from having huge medical debt.
>
> People want to talk about the cost of paying for health insurance as being
> prohibitive, but fail to ever talk about the fact that having no insurance
> is cost-prohibitive in a very real way.
>
> Uninsured people delay, forego, and are refused care when they need it. A
> price is paid for that. Maybe it's in the form of higher cost for care when
> care is finally sought. It's certainly in the form of suffering and being
> ill longer, and perhaps dying prematurely. And it may also take the form of
> lost wages from work missed. Those are real costs being paid now all the
> time.
>
> No one has said that this is a "great" health plan -- so to characterize
> people's positions that way is divisive and disingenuous.
>
> It is also inaccurate and intentionally divisive, it seems to me, to
> suggest that those who currently have health insurance support this health
> reform law and do not support single payer, while those who are uninsured
> support single payer and not this health reform. I work with thousands of
> individuals from our community and this is just not the case.
>
> Also, I might note that many of the people on these listservs who support
> this health reform (not because it's "great" or "perfect" but because it
> will help people and it is better than nothing) are, and have been actively
> involved in working for single payer.
>
> CCHCC held a couple of single payer events last year. I remember all the
> people who participated and lent their support (thank you!). There will be
> more to come on single payer and people will have plenty of opportunity to
> do real work for single payer.
>
> But the single payer movement is NOT helped by half-truths or falsehoods
> about the current health reform law. It is perfectly fine and good to
> critique the current health reform law, but it is really disingenuous and
> dangerous to say that it will not help people. That's simply not true.
>
> The single payer movement will require people to be informed, and be
> willing to educate, and not attack others with whom they do not agree
> completely.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Claudia Lennhoff, CCHCC Executive Director
>
>
>
>
> On 3/25/10 6:59 PM, unionyes wrote:
> >
> >
> > To Jenifer and the rest of you that think the Obama so called " health
> > care reform bill " is so great and that any of us who criticize it don't
> > care about their fellow human beings.
> > First of all, I want to ask Jenifer if she has health insurance and if
> > so what type ?
> > Secondly, this posting by Dave P. sums up my feelings perfectly.
> > WE, the working poor, Myself included, are the ones who will NOT benefit
> > from this Bill.
> > Easy for many of the rest of you to say it is so great when you already
> > have health insurance and won't have to face the prospect of a fine and
> > still have no health care.
> > As Dave P. states below, Single Payer IS the ONLY REAL public option.
> > Again, most of you who support the Obama plan, already have health
> > insurance and / or you are relying on info provided to you via the
> > corporate media and the democratic party.
> > Who along with the repubs prevented for day one ANY discussion about
> > single payer.
> > David J.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* pengdust at aol.com <mailto:pengdust at aol.com>
> > *To:* ls1000 at live.com <mailto:ls1000 at live.com> ; jbw292002 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com> ; galliher at illinois.edu
> > <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
> > *Cc:* Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> ;
> > discuss at lists.communitycourtwatch.org
> > <mailto:discuss at lists.communitycourtwatch.org>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:54 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss] Fw: What hath got rot?
> >
> > As an anarchist and a "precarious-shit-worker" who does do the
> > 'grub-work,' I take offense to this "individualistic libertarian
> > anarchists" claim. We, anarcho-PSWs, do not have cushy university jobs
> > with health-care, sick days, vacations, living wages... or the time,
> > privelege, and luxury for academic debates. It is true, those of us who
> > make around $1000/month will NEVER, EVER be able to afford the
> > $200-300/month minimum premiums to fucking corporations after paying
> > some $400 in rent alone! [Add $200-300/loans in student loans, $150 in
> > other bills, etc... and there's nothing left for food. Keeps me in my
> > boyish figure I guess /;-)/ ] Simply, everyday life is always a losing
> > battle... we're working-poor and we're FUCKED, this is real. And, the
> > $700 penalty on top of taxes will only make things worse! Now, for those
> > who make some $40,000/yr this all may be doable, and an improvement, but
> > for many of us who don't it's completely impossible unless the feds pay
> > %100 of our premiums.... i.e., SINGLE-PAYER. So, single-payer is the
> > ONLY improvement for us, and the ONLY solution that was never on the
> > table! [thanks to Both Dems and Reps]
> >
> >
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