[Peace-discuss] [Fwd: [lbo-talk] the communitarian case for drones]

[Morton K. Brussel]

For what it's worth, I remember that at one time, perhaps 40 years ago, Etzionni had interesting things to say, and could even have been considered a progressive voice. That changed, and I was surprised to find stuff he was writing (even many years ago, 20?) not so different from what now is being quoted. A pretty despicable character. The roots of his idealogical change might be interesting to analyze, worth some literary, psychological  and/or sociological analysis. --mkb


On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:25 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> The full text w/ links of Etzioni's piece:
> 
> http://www.ndu.edu/press/jfq_pages/editions/i57/etzioni.pdf
> 
> [N.B.: ndu = National Defense University, not Notre Dame, I think.]
> 
> 
> Stuart Levy wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 06:36:07PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> Search Etzioni's websites, I suppose. He's been saying this nonsense for a while. Doug just got hit with some of it. I'll ask him if you like.
>> Wow.  Do you think Amitai Etzioni means to be serious here??
>> The language is so pat ["everyone is entitled but..."],
>> it sounds as though he's setting up a straw man
>> for parody.  This could come from the Onion.
>>> Stuart Levy wrote:
>>>> Wow -- love this bit: "everyone is entitled to human rights, but..."
>>>> Where are the web sites referred to?  "we provide a blow by blow response, here" etc.?
>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 05:18:26PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>>> {Doug Henwood of Left Business Observer treats some academic dreck with the degree of respect it deserves.  --CGE}
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> [I always hated this communitarian shit, but this takes the cake. For some reason this asshole added me to his email list.]
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Amitai Etzioni <icps at GWU.EDU>
>>>>> Date: March 30, 2010 5:03:51 PM EDT
>>>>> To: COMNET at HERMES.GWU.EDU
>>>>> Subject: The case for drones. Comments please.
>>>>> Reply-To: Amitai Etzioni <icps at GWU.EDU>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jane Mayer made the liberal case against drones in The New Yorker (October 26, 2009). We provide a blow by blow response here and discuss the issue on Talk of the Nation, here. Everyone is entitled to human rights, but we cannot wait for terrorists to strike before we go after them. And, although little known, the US military has a carefully crafted procedure for determining which drone strikes are allowed and which would cause too much collateral damage.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The onus for avoiding collateral damage altogether is on the terrorists. They have to stop exploiting their status as civilians, stop using civilians as human shields, and homes--as headquarters, as locations to store ammunition and for snipers to ply their deadly trade. (For more, see Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy [Yale 2007] and our website.)
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>>>>> ph: 202.994.8190
>>>>> fax: 202.9941606
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