[Peace-discuss] [Fwd: [lbo-talk] the communitarian case for drones]

[C. G. Estabrook]

The full text w/ links of Etzioni's piece:

http://www.ndu.edu/press/jfq_pages/editions/i57/etzioni.pdf

[N.B.: ndu = National Defense University, not Notre Dame, I think.]


Stuart Levy wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 06:36:07PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> Search Etzioni's websites, I suppose. He's been saying this nonsense for a 
>> while. Doug just got hit with some of it. I'll ask him if you like.
> 
> Wow.  Do you think Amitai Etzioni means to be serious here??
> The language is so pat ["everyone is entitled but..."],
> it sounds as though he's setting up a straw man
> for parody.  This could come from the Onion.
> 
>> Stuart Levy wrote:
>>> Wow -- love this bit: "everyone is entitled to human rights, but..."
>>> Where are the web sites referred to?  "we provide a blow by blow response, 
>>> here" etc.?
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 05:18:26PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>> {Doug Henwood of Left Business Observer treats some academic dreck with 
>>>> the degree of respect it deserves.  --CGE}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [I always hated this communitarian shit, but this takes the cake. For 
>>>> some reason this asshole added me to his email list.]
>>>>
>>>> From: Amitai Etzioni <icps at GWU.EDU>
>>>> Date: March 30, 2010 5:03:51 PM EDT
>>>> To: COMNET at HERMES.GWU.EDU
>>>> Subject: The case for drones. Comments please.
>>>> Reply-To: Amitai Etzioni <icps at GWU.EDU>
>>>>
>>>> Jane Mayer made the liberal case against drones in The New Yorker 
>>>> (October 26, 2009). We provide a blow by blow response here and discuss 
>>>> the issue on Talk of the Nation, here. Everyone is entitled to human 
>>>> rights, but we cannot wait for terrorists to strike before we go after 
>>>> them. And, although little known, the US military has a carefully crafted 
>>>> procedure for determining which drone strikes are allowed and which would 
>>>> cause too much collateral damage.
>>>>
>>>> The onus for avoiding collateral damage altogether is on the terrorists. 
>>>> They have to stop exploiting their status as civilians, stop using 
>>>> civilians as human shields, and homes--as headquarters, as locations to 
>>>> store ammunition and for snipers to ply their deadly trade. (For more, 
>>>> see Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy [Yale 2007] and 
>>>> our website.)
>>>> -- 
>>>> Amitai Etzioni
>>>> University Professor
>>>> The George Washington University
>>>> 1922 F St NW, Rm 413
>>>> Washington, DC 20052
>>>> ph: 202.994.8190
>>>> fax: 202.9941606
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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