[Peace-discuss] [Fwd: [lbo-talk] the communitarian case for drones]

[C. G. Estabrook]

Someone who doesn't want to be a socialist but realizes they're right.


John W. wrote:
> All right, I give up.  What's a "communitarian"?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Stuart Levy <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu 
> <mailto:slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>> wrote:
> 
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> 
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 06:36:07PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> Search Etzioni's websites, I suppose. He's been saying this
> nonsense for a
>> while. Doug just got hit with some of it. I'll ask him if you like.
> 
> Wow.  Do you think Amitai Etzioni means to be serious here?? The language is
> so pat ["everyone is entitled but..."], it sounds as though he's setting up a
> straw man for parody.  This could come from the Onion.
> 
>> Stuart Levy wrote:
>>> Wow -- love this bit: "everyone is entitled to human rights, but..." 
>>> Where are the web sites referred to?  "we provide a blow by blow
> response,
>>> here" etc.? On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 05:18:26PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook
>>> wrote:
>>>> {Doug Henwood of Left Business Observer treats some academic
> dreck with
>>>> the degree of respect it deserves.  --CGE}
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [I always hated this communitarian shit, but this takes the
> cake. For
>>>> some reason this asshole added me to his email list.]
>>>> 
>>>> From: Amitai Etzioni <icps at GWU.EDU <mailto:icps at GWU.EDU>> Date: March
>>>> 30, 2010 5:03:51 PM EDT To: COMNET at HERMES.GWU.EDU
>>>> <mailto:COMNET at HERMES.GWU.EDU> Subject: The case for drones. Comments
>>>> please. Reply-To: Amitai Etzioni <icps at GWU.EDU <mailto:icps at GWU.EDU>>
>>>> 
>>>> Jane Mayer made the liberal case against drones in The New Yorker 
>>>> (October 26, 2009). We provide a blow by blow response here and
> discuss
>>>> the issue on Talk of the Nation, here. Everyone is entitled to
> human
>>>> rights, but we cannot wait for terrorists to strike before we
> go after
>>>> them. And, although little known, the US military has a
> carefully crafted
>>>> procedure for determining which drone strikes are allowed and
> which would
>>>> cause too much collateral damage.
>>>> 
>>>> The onus for avoiding collateral damage altogether is on the
> terrorists.
>>>> They have to stop exploiting their status as civilians, stop using 
>>>> civilians as human shields, and homes--as headquarters, as
> locations to
>>>> store ammunition and for snipers to ply their deadly trade.
> (For more,
>>>> see Security First: For a Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy [Yale
> 2007] and
>>>> our website.) -- Amitai Etzioni University Professor The George
>>>> Washington University 1922 F St NW, Rm 413 Washington, DC 20052 ph:
>>>> 202.994.8190 fax: 202.9941606

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