[Peace-discuss] Dick Cheney and the Oil Spill - the curse thatkeeps on giving.

Tue May 4 11:20:26 CDT 2010

>There are lots of groups who delight in seeing this rig blowup.

I am sure that is true.

>The question is which one did it.  

I am sure that notions of a conspiracy theory are possible; but it is pure paranoia to assume from the start that this IS a deliberate act of terrorism or of covert action.  In all probability, it was an accident or naturally based disaster, which lack of concern and regulation promoted by the greed of and neglect by the oil companies indirectly facilitated.

>Someone in the Obama Administration knows who did it.
>Probably Mr. Obama knows.

While Obama and his administration may be guilty of many things, I think it is somewhat slanderous to make such unsupported and speculative accusations based purely on your biases.

>It's a game.
>The endgame is that Americans will pay more for energy
>and competition in the market is reduced by more government
>regulations which the people will accept with open arms.

I am not sure what meds you are on; but this statement makes absolutely no sense.  

Yes, I think that it probably is the case that the oil company executives and industry thinks that Americans are so dependent on the use of oil that they will pay almost anything rather than give up or lessen the use of oil, although they may cry, comnplain, and bitch about the prices.  As long as you give them some half-assed reason and someone or something to blame, they will reluctantly accept price increases due to self-induced scarcity of supply.

However, I do not buy your theories about the role fo competition and regulation to begin with; but I fail to see how they relate (a) to people accepting increases in oil product prices and in oil company profits - especially since there are several alledgedly competitive major oil companies in exisitence who control the industry and this competition has not caused a reduction or even a stabilized price for oil prodcuts which have continued to increase at the whim and will of the oil industry and since this monopoly of major oil companies have prevented any extensive regulation or policing of the industry by government; (b) to the cause of the current and past off-shore oil disaters; or (c) would result in the future elimination of such disasters.  

First, if government regulations and policing pertaining to safety and health as well as other things like supply and pricing were applied equally to all the oil companies and were enforced equally with the same severity to all oil companies, it would become a cost of doing business to all equally and should not impact on the competition among them.  Second, if such regulation should increase the cost of oil products, it would at least furnish a real basis for the increases rather than the greed and profit motives that now serve as the basis for price increases; but more importantly, I think that the cost attributable to regulations that increase health and safety, environmental protection, etc. would be far less than the costs of daling with and cleaning up after such disasters as we now have and have had to a lesser degree in the past (especially if you include such things as loss of income to fishermen and farmers, those whose livelihood relies on tourism or own effected property, or who may be forced to abandon their homes and businesses either temporarily or permanently due to the effects -short and long term - of the disaster).  Even if the oil companies pick up a part of those costs, you know that theyt will pass them on by way of increased prices to the consuming public; what costs they do not pick up and the government has to bear will also be paid for by the public in the form of increased taxes and fees.  Hence, in my opinion, it would be cheaper and more beneficial to spend that money in preventative regulation and policing than in remedying preventable disasters.

Thus I fail to see the import or relevance of your theories of competition and regulation to the discussiuon at hand.

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To: jbw292002 at gmail.com; ls1000 at live.com
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Dick Cheney and the Oil Spill - the curse thatkeeps on giving.
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:49:19 +0800

There are lots of groups who delight in seeing this rig blowup.

The question is which one did it.  

Someone in the Obama Administration knows who did it.
Probably Mr. Obama knows.

It's a game.
The endgame is that Americans will pay more for energy
and competition in the market is reduced by more government
regulations which the people will accept with open arms.

After all, the whole problem was the lack of regulation, wasn't it?

Regulators and bureaucrats are standing by to take your calls for action.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John W. 
To: Laurie Solomon 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Dick Cheney and the Oil Spill - the curse thatkeeps on giving.

Delightful, isn't it?  It's absolutely insane.  I keep thinking there should just be a valve somewhere that they could turn off.  Doesn't seem so complicated to me.  In fact, it seems downright logical!

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:

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Dick Cheney and the Oil Spill 
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