[Peace-discuss] ron paul, teabaggers, and some of their best friends

[Anthony Pomonis]

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:00 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "In my opinion, the student antiwar movement of the 1960s (which was part
> of a much larger antiwar movement, including soldiers themselves), was NOT
> motivated by self-interest or even self-preservation."
> DG
>
>
Be that as it may, self preservation and self interest are the lasting
legacies of that time.  (*Enter:* *American Policy Sinc*e)
Many positions of power are held by those from the era.
I think that was Carl's main point.
Stuart, I love your observation on the tax.  All military families I know
want their children to come home, rhetoric be damned.  Anything to come
home.  The best question I can think of is, "How can we as a people learn
and improve upon historical failure?"
We need ideas.
--TP

>  ------------------------------
> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>; Peace Discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Tue, May 4, 2010 5:51:18 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] ron paul, teabaggers, and some of their
> best friends
>
> "The usual explanations for the difference between then and now
> won't do. The suggestion, for example, that the renewal of a
> military draft would ignite students' self-interest doesn't
> account for the fact that most 60s-era students were sufficiently
> sheltered from the draft to make their chances of seeing combat
> negligible. Lewis B. Hershey, director of the Selective Service
> until 1970, granted draft deferments to students and some
> white-collar professionals on the reasoning that engineers,
> scientists, and teachers were essential to national security and
> the war effort. By the time the lottery system evened the playing
> field somewhat in 1969, 'Vietnamization' was under way, and the
> number of combat roles filled by American GI's began shrinking."
>
> http://chronicle.com/article/The-Times-They-Changed/65192/
>
>
> On 5/4/10 4:54 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > The only way to get ANY folks out of the woodwork to protest the US's
> > imperialist wars is to reinstate the draft. How 'bout we [peace
> activists]
> > start a rumor that that's in the works and see what happens? Add that to
> > blogs and picket signs, get talk radio hosts ranting about it. Worth a
> try
> > :-) -- Jenifer
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 5/3/10, Ricky Baldwin /<baldwinricky at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> Subject: Re:
> [Peace-discuss]
> > ron paul, teabaggers, and some of their best friends To: "E.Wayne
> Johnson"
> > <ewj at pigs.ag> Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date:
> > Monday, May 3, 2010, 11:06 AM
> >
> > Wayne, I assume you are referring here to the "tea party" as the
> rebellion?
> > I think there's an element of that, but it's dragged so far out of that
> > orbit by the weight of its racism and Know-Nothingism, homophobia and
> fear
> > of socialism, and miscellaneous rightwing conspiracy theories, that it's
> > more likely to push national policy away from anything that might help
> > working people than accomplish anything good and decent...
>
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