[Peace-discuss] ron paul, teabaggers, and some of their best friends

Wed May 5 19:14:22 CDT 2010

Oh shit... www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm(Hows come feminists aren't, uh, up in arms about this exclusion??) --Jenifer

--- On Wed, 5/5/10, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:

From: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ron paul, teabaggers,and some of their best  friends
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>, "Anthony Pomonis" <apomonis at gmail.com>
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:04 AM

That is not entirely accurate Jenifer.  Right now 
young males between the ages of 18 and 25 do have to register with selective 
service even though there is not a draft or local draft boards.  I believe 
that one registers via the Post Office and that the registration is processed 
and kept on file by a central selective service office.

From: Jenifer Cartwright 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:25 AM
To: David Green ; Anthony Pomonis 

Cc: Peace Discuss 
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ron paul, teabaggers,and some of their 
best friends

    Right now, nobody has to register w/ a draft board. Nobody 
      has to worry about deferments, nobody has to enlist or reup in the least 
      objectional branch b/c the gov't will choose a worse one if they don't 
      (except for the poor folks, deluded and otherwise who feel they have no 
      other choice, and those caught in stop loss, of course).  
      Trust me: if suddenly everyone betw 18 and 25 had their nuts (and 
      boobs?) in a noose, then yeah, I think that'd get folks' attention and 
      there'd be a whole lotta squawking, whereas now there's essentially 
      none.

      Vietnam: as I understand it, the rank and file in the military helped 
      to bring the war to an end thru mutiny -- and that was certainly 
      self-preservation (of their lives, of their mental-physical-moral 
      well-being), along w/ a conviction that the war was pointless on top of 
      that.
       --Jenifer

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Anthony Pomonis 
      <apomonis at gmail.com> wrote:

From: 
        Anthony Pomonis <apomonis at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 
        [Peace-discuss] ron paul, teabaggers, and some of their best 
        friends
To: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace 
        Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, May 
        4, 2010, 7:55 PM

        On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:00 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> 
        wrote:

          "In my opinion, the student antiwar movement of the 1960s (which 
          was part of a much larger antiwar movement, including soldiers 
          themselves), was NOT motivated by self-interest or even 
          self-preservation." 

          DG

Be that as it may, self preservation and self interest are the 
        lasting legacies of that time.  (Enter: American Policy 
        Since)  
Many positions of power are held by those from the 
        era.  
I think that was Carl's main point.  
Stuart, I 
        love your observation on the tax.  All military families I know 
        want their children to come home, rhetoric be damned.  Anything to 
        come home.  The best question I can think of is, "How can we as a 
        people learn and improve upon historical failure?"  
We need 
        ideas.    
--TP

          From: C. G. Estabrook 
          <galliher at illinois.edu>
To: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 5:51:18 
          PM

Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ron 
          paul, teabaggers, and some of their best 
friends

"The usual explanations for the difference between 
          then and now
won't do. The suggestion, for example, that the 
          renewal of a
military draft would ignite students' self-interest 
          doesn't
account for the fact that most 60s-era students were 
          sufficiently
sheltered from the draft to make their chances of 
          seeing combat
negligible. Lewis B. Hershey, director of the 
          Selective Service
until 1970, granted draft deferments to students 
          and some
white-collar professionals on the reasoning that 
          engineers,
scientists, and teachers were essential to national 
          security and
the war effort. By the time the lottery system evened 
          the playing
field somewhat in 1969, 'Vietnamization' was under way, 
          and the
number of combat roles filled by American GI's began 
          shrinking."

http://chronicle.com/article/The-Times-They-Changed/65192/

On 
          5/4/10 4:54 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> The only way to get 
          ANY folks out of the woodwork to protest the US's
> imperialist 
          wars is to reinstate the draft. How 'bout we [peace activists]
> 
          start a rumor that that's in the works and see what happens? Add that 
          to
> blogs and picket signs, get talk radio hosts ranting about 
          it. Worth a try
> :-) -- Jenifer
>
> --- On *Mon, 
          5/3/10, Ricky Baldwin /<baldwinricky at yahoo.com>/* 
          wrote:
>
>
> From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> 
          Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss]
> ron paul, teabaggers, and some of 
          their best friends To: "E.Wayne Johnson"
> <ewj at pigs.ag> Cc: "Peace Discuss" 
          <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
          Date:
> Monday, May 3, 2010, 11:06 AM
>
> Wayne, I 
          assume you are referring here to the "tea party" as the 
          rebellion?
> I think there's an element of that, but it's 
          dragged so far out of that
> orbit by the weight of its racism 
          and Know-Nothingism, homophobia and fear
> of socialism, and 
          miscellaneous rightwing conspiracy theories, that it's
> more 
          likely to push national policy away from anything that might 
          help
> working people than accomplish anything good and 
          decent...

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