[Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie

Tue Nov 9 18:34:46 CST 2010

Well, apparently we disagree on what "the point" is. I may be
"evading" your "point," but by the same token, you are evading mine.

In Budrus, Palestinians, using nonviolence, successfully resisted
plans by the Israeli occupation authorities to confiscate their land.

Budrus is one village, and land confiscation is one - very important -
aspect of the occupation.

Other Palestinian villages are using similar methods to try to resist
the confiscation of their lands by the occupation authorities, with
some success.

I claim that these efforts are more likely to be successful if more
Americans know about them and support them; and watching the Budrus
movie is one very accessible way for Americans to learn about these
efforts.

I argued this in more detail here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> No no no.  You are evading the point.
>
> The Occupation continues.
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:59 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>
> Where is the evidence? It's here:
>
> http://www.justvision.org/budrus
>
> Watch the trailer. See the movie.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:37 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>
>
> The shark is the "Axis of Evil" American interventionalist foreign policy
> which is dependent
> upon the material support of the American people.
>
> It is pitifully naive to think that any sort of non-violent action will
> cause that shark to relax its jaws.
>
> Just because it worked for some remote village in Palestine is no indication
> that it will work
> in the USA or for Palestine either.
>
> Carl should correct me but it seems that the historic
> precedent says that either the people rise up themselves and correct the
> problem, OR the
> situation continues to rot and weaken from the inside to the point that some
> outside force
> slips in and hits them over the back of the head with a sock full of
> skubulos.
>
> Where is the evidence that non-violent resistance ends an occupation?
>
> On 11/9/2010 9:48 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>
> In your analogy to the Israeli occupation, who exactly is "Mister
> Shark"? Is it an individual Israeli soldier, his commander, the
> Israeli government? Does "Mister Shark," in the case of the Israeli
> occupation, also include the Israeli public? The US government? The US
> public? Does it include us? Relative to the Palestinians, are we also
> "Mister Shark"?
>
> What's the context here? Some folks have made a *documentary* about
> the *successful* nonviolent struggle of a Palestinian village to save
> their land from confiscation for the Separation Barrier. It's a
> strange context in which to say "nonviolence never works." It did
> work. Not in some far away time and place, but in the Palestinian
> village of Budrus, in the occupied West Bank.
>
> Now, the fact that it worked in Budrus is no guarantee that it will
> work in some other Palestinian village. In particular, the Israeli
> occupation could escalate its repression. Indeed, it has.
>
> But: the occupier is not the only side that has the possibility of
> escalation. The nonviolent resistance could also escalate.
>
> How do you escalate nonviolent resistance?
>
> One way is to involve more people.
>
> And that's the point, for me, of promoting the movie Budrus in the
> United States: to get more people involved on the side of the
> Palestinian nonviolent resistance, so that it stands a better chance
> of succeeding.
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:14 PM, E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>
>
> Seriously, Bob, I am quite interested in non-violent action and positively
> detest violent action.
> I am repulsed by the notion of violence almost as much as I am by the threat
> thereof.
>
> But, I perceive that the concept of any captive people being freed from an
> occupation by nonviolent
> action is ridiculous.
>
> Hey!  Mister Shark!  I'm being nice and non-violent.  Would you like to spit
> my leg out now?  I'm going to be late for Oprah if you don't let me go real
> soon.
>
> The only problem with your suggestion (as I see it), Bob, is that it fails
> to take into
> account the characteristics of sharks, the theoretical fundamentals of
> communication with sharks, and the characteristics of ostensibly bitable
> appendages, among other things, perhaps...
>
> However, other than that, I am sure that Palestine can be freed quickly and
> the whole world can participate in a historic rewrite of the future - at
> home, on the couch, in front of their TV sets, when this movie comes out on
> DeeVeeDee.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Naiman" <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
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> If many Americans see the movie Budrus, about the successful
> nonviolent resistance of Palestinians and Israelis against the route
> of the Israeli "separation barrier" and its confiscation of
> Palestinian land in the West Bank village of Budrus, it could lead to
> concrete changes in U.S. policy that would lead to real improvement in
> the ability of Palestinians in the West Bank to free themselves from
> the occupation by nonviolent action.
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html
>
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