[Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie

Tue Nov 9 18:09:48 CST 2010

No no no.  You are evading the point.

The Occupation continues.

On 11/10/2010 7:59 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
> Where is the evidence? It's here:
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> http://www.justvision.org/budrus
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> Watch the trailer. See the movie.
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> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:37 PM, E. Wayne Johnson<ewj at pigs.ag>  wrote:
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>> The shark is the "Axis of Evil" American interventionalist foreign policy
>> which is dependent
>> upon the material support of the American people.
>>
>> It is pitifully naive to think that any sort of non-violent action will
>> cause that shark to relax its jaws.
>>
>> Just because it worked for some remote village in Palestine is no indication
>> that it will work
>> in the USA or for Palestine either.
>>
>> Carl should correct me but it seems that the historic
>> precedent says that either the people rise up themselves and correct the
>> problem, OR the
>> situation continues to rot and weaken from the inside to the point that some
>> outside force
>> slips in and hits them over the back of the head with a sock full of
>> skubulos.
>>
>> Where is the evidence that non-violent resistance ends an occupation?
>>
>> On 11/9/2010 9:48 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>>
>> In your analogy to the Israeli occupation, who exactly is "Mister
>> Shark"? Is it an individual Israeli soldier, his commander, the
>> Israeli government? Does "Mister Shark," in the case of the Israeli
>> occupation, also include the Israeli public? The US government? The US
>> public? Does it include us? Relative to the Palestinians, are we also
>> "Mister Shark"?
>>
>> What's the context here? Some folks have made a *documentary* about
>> the *successful* nonviolent struggle of a Palestinian village to save
>> their land from confiscation for the Separation Barrier. It's a
>> strange context in which to say "nonviolence never works." It did
>> work. Not in some far away time and place, but in the Palestinian
>> village of Budrus, in the occupied West Bank.
>>
>> Now, the fact that it worked in Budrus is no guarantee that it will
>> work in some other Palestinian village. In particular, the Israeli
>> occupation could escalate its repression. Indeed, it has.
>>
>> But: the occupier is not the only side that has the possibility of
>> escalation. The nonviolent resistance could also escalate.
>>
>> How do you escalate nonviolent resistance?
>>
>> One way is to involve more people.
>>
>> And that's the point, for me, of promoting the movie Budrus in the
>> United States: to get more people involved on the side of the
>> Palestinian nonviolent resistance, so that it stands a better chance
>> of succeeding.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:14 PM, E.Wayne Johnson<ewj at pigs.ag>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Seriously, Bob, I am quite interested in non-violent action and positively
>> detest violent action.
>> I am repulsed by the notion of violence almost as much as I am by the threat
>> thereof.
>>
>> But, I perceive that the concept of any captive people being freed from an
>> occupation by nonviolent
>> action is ridiculous.
>>
>> Hey!  Mister Shark!  I'm being nice and non-violent.  Would you like to spit
>> my leg out now?  I'm going to be late for Oprah if you don't let me go real
>> soon.
>>
>> The only problem with your suggestion (as I see it), Bob, is that it fails
>> to take into
>> account the characteristics of sharks, the theoretical fundamentals of
>> communication with sharks, and the characteristics of ostensibly bitable
>> appendages, among other things, perhaps...
>>
>> However, other than that, I am sure that Palestine can be freed quickly and
>> the whole world can participate in a historic rewrite of the future - at
>> home, on the couch, in front of their TV sets, when this movie comes out on
>> DeeVeeDee.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Naiman"<naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
>> To: "Peace-discuss List"<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:17 AM
>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
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>> If many Americans see the movie Budrus, about the successful
>> nonviolent resistance of Palestinians and Israelis against the route
>> of the Israeli "separation barrier" and its confiscation of
>> Palestinian land in the West Bank village of Budrus, it could lead to
>> concrete changes in U.S. policy that would lead to real improvement in
>> the ability of Palestinians in the West Bank to free themselves from
>> the occupation by nonviolent action.
>>
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html
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>> --
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
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