[Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals

[Morton K. Brussel]

Sorry, David, but you have gone off the deep end in your criticism of the ACLU (or virtually any organization) because a member thereof may be malign in your opinion. Your bitterness is off-putting, not in your very useful letter to the DI, but in your attack on the ACLU (which I for one support for its not infrequent successful efforts to defend civil liberties and to broady publicize violations of same). Bob makes the point well. 
--mkb


On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, David Green wrote:

> Where's the presence of the local ACLU in the local media regarding criticism of Obama's policies?
> 
> From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:20:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals
> 
> I object to your guilt-by-association. If you want to slam one person
> with whom you have an issue, that's one thing. It's another thing to
> slam an organization, based on your interaction with one individual
> who is in the organization.
> 
> If you follow what the national ACLU has been putting out on the
> policies of the Obama Administration, on detention, on assassination,
> on military commissions, on accountability for torture, etc. I think
> one would be hard pressed to argue that they have been pulling their
> punches.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The ACLU stands for one of many possible fundamental principles. Too many of
> > its members think that that is the only one worth standing for, and wish to
> > cover themselves with glory for doing so. It's become a pretty transparent
> > business, and Gehrig's behavior exposes one aspect of that--he's an overt
> > racist vis a vis the Palestinians, and he's especially annoyed that I showed
> > him to be a liar regarding the death of Rachel Corrie. Bob, I would think
> > that that would concern you regarding the credibility of the ACLU, as well
> > as the substantive issue I've raised in my letter; likely I would think
> > wrong. Nothing about liberals seems to bother you.
> >
> > DG
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> > To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> > Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 12:14:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals
> >
> > Is the ACLU responsible for what David Gehrig writes in letters to the
> > DI? When he volunteered to sit at the table, should they have said:
> > now, not just anyone can sit at this table. What kind of letters do
> > you plan to write to the DI?
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> The last time I saw David Gehrig, he was manning the ACLU table at the
> >> Farmers Market. I hear that he has resigned from the Urbana City Council.
> >> Here's his comment in response to my DI letter:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title
> >>
> >>
> >> "Is the Daily Illini really so hard up for letters that it must print
> >> near-weekly squashrot from the fringe flake David Green? Has he absolutely
> >> no idea of how he comes across? I've never seen anyone so brilliantly
> >> incarnate every facet of the far-right parody of what a dour, smug,
> >> holds-the-copyright-on-sanctimonious leftist is like. Is he some kind of
> >> counter-Colbert, except that nobody's in on the joke?"
> >>
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> >
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> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> Robert Naiman
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> Just Foreign Policy
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> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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