[Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals

[Jenifer Cartwright]

I'm guessing many if not most on this list are both members of the ACLU and also in agreement about Israel-Palestine, Afghanistan, Citizens' United, choice, unemployment benefits, tax breaks for the wealthy, unions, etc etc etc... --Jenifer

--- On Sat, 11/20/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 11:11 AM

"many of its members are with us"
 
How so?





From: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
To: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>; David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 10:27:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals


 



The ACLU's function is to protect civil liberties, and that's a good thing -- it often means that good guys get their day in court and win. But it also protects the rights of dreadful people to say and do dreadful things when the law's on their side. The ACLU doesn't take a stand on political issues unless rights are violated, and it isn't a peace organization, altho' many of its members are with us, just as many of our members support the ACLU.  
 --Jenifer

--- On Sat, 11/20/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals
To: "Morton K. Brussel" <brussel at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 9:35 AM






Mort, doesn't it bother you that a prominent member of the local member of the ACLU goes out of his way to make an ad hominem attack on someone he doesn't happen to like (primarily because of my support for the Palestinians) for expressing opposition to both war and video games about them, boldly asserting that the DI should not print my letters (of which it has printed two in just over two months)? Isn't the irony and hypocrisy overwhelming enough for you? Exactly what would Gehrig have to do to get you to focus your attention on his nastiness, stupidity, and evasiveness, rather than my very appropriate curiosity about the attraction of the ACLU for someone like him?




From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:59:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals

Sorry, David, but you have gone off the deep end in your criticism of the ACLU (or virtually any organization) because a member thereof may be malign in your opinion. Your bitterness is off-putting, not in your very useful letter to the DI, but in your attack on the ACLU (which I for one support for its not infrequent successful efforts to defend civil liberties and to broady publicize violations of same). Bob makes the point well.  
--mkb





On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:02 PM, David Green wrote:




Where's the presence of the local ACLU in the local media regarding criticism of Obama's policies?





From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 3:20:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals

I object to your guilt-by-association. If you want to slam one person
with whom you have an issue, that's one thing.
 It's another thing to
slam an organization, based on your interaction with one individual
who is in the organization.

If you follow what the national ACLU has been putting out on the
policies of the Obama Administration, on detention, on assassination,
on military commissions, on accountability for torture, etc. I think
one would be hard pressed to argue that they have been pulling their
punches.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The ACLU stands for one of many possible fundamental principles. Too many of
> its members think that that is the only one worth standing for, and wish to
> cover themselves with glory for doing so. It's become a pretty transparent
> business, and Gehrig's behavior exposes one aspect of that--he's an overt
> racist vis a vis the Palestinians, and he's especially annoyed that I showed
> him to
 be a liar regarding the death of Rachel Corrie. Bob, I would think
> that that would concern you regarding the credibility of the ACLU, as well
> as the substantive issue I've raised in my letter; likely I would think
> wrong. Nothing about liberals seems to bother you.
>
> DG
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 12:14:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] ACLU liberals
>
> Is the ACLU responsible for what David Gehrig writes in letters to the
> DI? When he volunteered to sit at the table, should they have said:
> now, not just anyone can sit at this table. What kind of letters do
> you plan to write to the
 DI?
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:03 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The last time I saw David Gehrig, he was manning the ACLU table at the
>> Farmers Market. I hear that he has resigned from the Urbana City Council.
>> Here's his comment in response to my DI letter:
>>
>>
>> http://www.dailyillini.com/opinions/letters-to-the-editor/2010/11/17/exploitation-of-war-for-fun-profit-disturbing#comments-title
>>
>>
>> "Is the Daily Illini really so hard up for letters that it must print
>> near-weekly squashrot from the fringe flake David Green? Has he absolutely
>> no idea of how
 he comes across? I've never seen anyone so brilliantly
>> incarnate every facet of the far-right parody of what a dour, smug,
>> holds-the-copyright-on-sanctimonious leftist is like. Is he some kind of
>> counter-Colbert, except that nobody's in on the joke?"
>>
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