[Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson / killing people

[C. G. Estabrook]

  People forget that during the Vietnam War the Nixon administration proposed 
some advanced social legislation (often urged by D. P. Moynihan, whose letters 
have just been published) - social legislation in fact much in advance of what 
the Obama administration has proposed, even on health care.

But even then no one was benighted enough to say, "We shouldn't Take a Stand and 
Vote Our Conscience against the war in SE Asia because the administration has 
proposed a Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and an 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - even a negative income tax" (in fact 
quite a good idea, wrecked by Democrats).

But in 1972 many Americans voted for Nixon and sneered at those with 
"consciences [that were] squeaky clean" on the war, as John W. pointed out the 
other day on this list. "...Whereof what's past is prologue, what to come /  In 
yours and my discharge."  --CGE


On 10/18/10 12:28 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Well, the right-wingers are framing this as an election against Obama, and the 
> MSM (of course) is going along w/ them... So no surprise that the nay-sayers 
> on this list are falling into line behind them as well...
> I would also argue that choosing the lesser of evils can be seen as a vote 
> against the greater of two evils, and that it's our responsibility to do that 
> (hoping that we all agree on 1) this principle, and 2) which candidates we 
> must therefore vote for... )
>
> Can we agree that things have become worse (Citizens United) and can become 
> even worse if the elections go to the Greater of Evils?? It continues to 
> bother me that those All or Nothing Purists who are Taking A Stand and Voting 
> Their Consciences have the luxury of doing that -- rent and utilities has been 
> paid on their Ivory Towers, no problem, and they have zero empathy for those 
> who are affected by losses to the greater of evils, so long as their 
> consciences -- publicly flashed -- are squeaky clean.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, Ron Szoke /<r-szoke at illinois.edu>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Ron Szoke <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson / killing people
>     To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>, "Karen Medina"
>     <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>     Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 12:06 AM
>
>     We might note, for the sake of clarity & mental balance, that it is
>     impossible to vote AGAINST anyone, & that the demon Obama will not be
>     on the ballot, so it is likewise impossible to vote for or against him,
>     whatever one's doctrinal or ideological fervor.
>
>     -- Ron
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