[Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Tue Oct 19 08:23:27 CDT 2010
"Friends, it's very simple: if you support Barack Obama and the Democrats --
even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all sophisticatedly super-savvy
and blogospherically strategic about it... -- you are supporting the outright
murder of innocent people who have never done anything against you or yours. You
have walked into a house, battered down the bedroom door, put the barrel of a
gun against the temple of a sleeping child, and pulled the trigger. That is what
you are supporting, that is what you are complicit in, /*that is what you
yourself are doing.*/"
Full article at
<http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html>.
On 10/18/10 10:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Tim Johnson is one of those who believes Life starts at conception and ends at
> birth.
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, Morton K. Brussel /<brussel at illinois.edu>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> Cc: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>, "Peace-discuss"
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:00 PM
>
> The outrage of Estabrook seems reserved for Democrats, without regarding
> the very probable (consider what they're saying) consequences of having
> Tea-Party types and/or Republicans controling government. None of the
> execrable policies of the G.W. Bush or Obama administrations are likely to
> be revised or retracted. He has forgotten about the Bush administration?
>
> The mania of the current campaign aimed at David Gill, characterized as a
> stand-in for Obama, is perverse and contary to what has come from
> statements and presentations of Gill. It's remarkable how much faith
> Carl has in Tim Johnson.
>
> --mkb
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> This is outrageous special pleading. It says to return the Democrats to
>> office, even though they're the ones responsible for "unnecessary deaths
>> of people in wars from [Palestine to Pakistan and from Central Asia to
>> the Horn of Africa]."
>>
>> Of course the Democrats are also responsible for not extending Medicare
>> to all, not taking over the too-big-to-fail banks and companies and
>> running them for the public good, not stopping foreclosures, not
>> establishing an effective jobs program, etc., etc. - and not by accident,
>> but because they're working for the banks, the insurance companies, the
>> oil companies, the construction companies, et al.
>>
>> The Democrat’s allegedly reformist agenda masks programs to ensure that
>> no major stakeholder in his coalition of corporate backers will suffer
>> significant losses, and will even enjoy spectacular gains — the
>> perfection of the long right turn of the Democratic Party since the
>> 1970s, as financialization of the economy led to shedding New Deal
>> commitments so as to compete with the Republicans for corporate patronage.
>>
>> Reject the policies by not voting for them. Vote Green or for individual
>> legislators who e.g. vote against the war, like Kucinich, Paul, or
>> Johnson (IL). We'll still have to settle accounts with the new Congress
>> on war and social legislation, whoever is elected.
>>
>> Say to the Democrats what Cromwell said to the Rump parliament: "Depart,
>> I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/10 4:50 PM, Ron Szoke wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html
>>>
>>> The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
>>>
>>> By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
>>> October 15, 2010
>>>
>>> If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan
>>> to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a
>>> lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if
>>> this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
>>>
>>> The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities
>>> will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises
>>> on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war.
>>> The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then
>>> shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
>>>
>>> However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy
>>> never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives
>>> abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 –
>>> not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the
>>> surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
>>>
>>> All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or
>>> no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives,
>>> emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever
>>> more audacious style.
>>>
>>> Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary
>>> deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America
>>> to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global
>>> warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea
>>> Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a
>>> livable planet.
>>>
>>> In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only
>>> doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
>>>
>>> . . .
>>> <much more>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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