[Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes

Tue Oct 19 08:23:27 CDT 2010

  "Friends, it's very simple: if you support Barack Obama and the Democrats -- 
even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all sophisticatedly super-savvy 
and blogospherically strategic about it... -- you are supporting the outright 
murder of innocent people who have never done anything against you or yours. You 
have walked into a house, battered down the bedroom door, put the barrel of a 
gun against the temple of a sleeping child, and pulled the trigger. That is what 
you are supporting, that is what you are complicit in, /*that is what you 
yourself are doing.*/"

Full article at 
<http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html>.

On 10/18/10 10:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Tim Johnson is one of those who believes Life starts at conception and ends at 
> birth.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, Morton K. Brussel /<brussel at illinois.edu>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
>     To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>     Cc: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>, "Peace-discuss"
>     <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:00 PM
>
>     The outrage of Estabrook seems reserved for Democrats, without regarding
>     the very probable (consider what they're saying) consequences of having
>     Tea-Party types and/or Republicans controling government. None of the
>     execrable policies of the G.W. Bush or Obama administrations are likely to
>     be revised or retracted.   He has forgotten about the Bush administration?
>
>     The mania of the current campaign aimed at David Gill, characterized as a
>     stand-in for Obama, is perverse and contary to what has come from
>     statements and presentations of Gill.   It's remarkable how much faith
>     Carl has in Tim Johnson.
>
>     --mkb
>
>
>
>     On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>>     This is outrageous special pleading.  It says to return the Democrats to
>>     office, even though they're the ones responsible for "unnecessary deaths
>>     of people in wars from [Palestine to Pakistan and from Central Asia to
>>     the Horn of Africa]."
>>
>>     Of course the Democrats are also responsible for not extending Medicare
>>     to all, not taking over the too-big-to-fail banks and companies and
>>     running them for the public good, not stopping foreclosures, not
>>     establishing an effective jobs program, etc., etc. - and not by accident,
>>     but because they're working for the banks, the insurance companies, the
>>     oil companies, the construction companies, et al.
>>
>>     The Democrat’s allegedly reformist agenda masks programs to ensure that
>>     no major stakeholder in his coalition of corporate backers will suffer
>>     significant losses, and will even enjoy spectacular gains — the
>>     perfection of the long right turn of the Democratic Party since the
>>     1970s, as financialization of the economy led to shedding New Deal
>>     commitments so as to compete with the Republicans for corporate patronage.
>>
>>     Reject the policies by not voting for them.  Vote Green or for individual
>>     legislators who e.g. vote against the war, like Kucinich, Paul, or
>>     Johnson (IL).  We'll still have to settle accounts with the new Congress
>>     on war and social legislation, whoever is elected.
>>
>>     Say to the Democrats what Cromwell said to the Rump parliament: "Depart,
>>     I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
>>
>>
>>     On 10/18/10 4:50 PM, Ron Szoke wrote:
>>>     	
>>>     http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html
>>>       	
>>>     The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
>>>
>>>     By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
>>>     October 15, 2010
>>>
>>>     If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan
>>>     to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a
>>>     lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if
>>>     this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
>>>
>>>     The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities
>>>     will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises
>>>     on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war.
>>>     The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then
>>>     shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
>>>
>>>     However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy
>>>     never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives
>>>     abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 –
>>>     not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the
>>>     surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
>>>
>>>     All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or
>>>     no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives,
>>>     emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever
>>>     more audacious style.
>>>
>>>     Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary
>>>     deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America
>>>     to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global
>>>     warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea
>>>     Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a
>>>     livable planet.
>>>
>>>     In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only
>>>     doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
>>>
>>>     .  .  .
>>>     <much more>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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