[Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes

Tue Oct 19 08:33:28 CDT 2010

Perhaps it is that simple for someone who is as much of a dogma-head moron
as Chris Floyd obviously is. For some people it is simple that "abortion is
murder." This assertion merits as much claim on our attention as Chris
Floyd's.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:23 AM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>wrote:

>  "Friends, it's very simple: if you support Barack Obama and the Democrats
> -- even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all sophisticatedly
> super-savvy and blogospherically strategic about it... -- you are supporting
> the outright murder of innocent people who have never done anything against
> you or yours. You have walked into a house, battered down the bedroom door,
> put the barrel of a gun against the temple of a sleeping child, and pulled
> the trigger. That is what you are supporting, that is what you are complicit
> in, *that is what you yourself are doing.*"
>
> Full article at
> <http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html><http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html>
> .
>
>
> On 10/18/10 10:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>
>   Tim Johnson is one of those who believes Life starts at conception and
> ends at birth.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu><brussel at illinois.edu>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu> <brussel at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu> <galliher at illinois.edu>
> Cc: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu> <r-szoke at illinois.edu>,
> "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:00 PM
>
> The outrage of Estabrook seems reserved for Democrats, without regarding
> the very probable (consider what they're saying) consequences of having
> Tea-Party types and/or Republicans controling government. None of the
> execrable policies of the G.W. Bush or Obama administrations are likely to
> be revised or retracted.   He has forgotten about the Bush administration?
>
>  The mania of the current campaign aimed at David Gill, characterized as a
> stand-in for Obama, is perverse and contary to what has come from statements
> and presentations of Gill.   It's remarkable how much faith Carl has in Tim
> Johnson.
>
>  --mkb
>
>
>
>  On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>  This is outrageous special pleading.  It says to return the Democrats to
> office, even though they're the ones responsible for "unnecessary deaths of
> people in wars from [Palestine to Pakistan and from Central Asia to the Horn
> of Africa]."
>
> Of course the Democrats are also responsible for not extending Medicare to
> all, not taking over the too-big-to-fail banks and companies and running
> them for the public good, not stopping foreclosures, not establishing an
> effective jobs program, etc., etc. - and not by accident, but because
> they're working for the banks, the insurance companies, the oil companies,
> the construction companies, et al.
>
> The Democrat’s allegedly reformist agenda masks programs to ensure that no
> major stakeholder in his coalition of corporate backers will suffer
> significant losses, and will even enjoy spectacular gains — the perfection
> of the long right turn of the Democratic Party since the 1970s, as
> financialization of the economy led to shedding New Deal commitments so as
> to compete with the Republicans for corporate patronage.
>
> Reject the policies by not voting for them.  Vote Green or for individual
> legislators who e.g. vote against the war, like Kucinich, Paul, or Johnson
> (IL).  We'll still have to settle accounts with the new Congress on war and
> social legislation, whoever is elected.
>
> Say to the Democrats what Cromwell said to the Rump parliament: "Depart, I
> say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
>
>
> On 10/18/10 4:50 PM, Ron Szoke wrote:
>
> 	http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html
>  	
> The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
>
> By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
> October 15, 2010
>
> If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan
> to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a
> lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if
> this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
>
> The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities
> will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises
> on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war.
> The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then
> shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
>
> However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy
> never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives
> abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 –
> not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the
> surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
>
> All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or
> no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives,
> emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever
> more audacious style.
>
> Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary
> deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America
> to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global
> warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea
> Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a
> livable planet.
>
> In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only
> doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
>
> .  .  .
> <much more>
>
>
>
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