[Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes

Tue Oct 19 09:14:27 CDT 2010

  Bob, you're urging votes for the Democrats and calling Chris Floyd "a 
dogma-head moron"?!

Now I realize that your arguments in support of the war-makers are so weak and 
contradictory that you're reduced to playground taunts, but I suggest that 
people who have not done so read Floyd's blog, "Empire Burlesque: High Crimes 
and Low Comedy in the American Imperium" <http://www.chris-floyd.com/>. They 
will see that there are moronic comments being made in these matters, but not 
usually by him.  --CGE

On 10/19/10 8:33 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
> Perhaps it is that simple for someone who is as much of a dogma-head moron as 
> Chris Floyd obviously is. For some people it is simple that "abortion is 
> murder." This assertion merits as much claim on our attention as Chris Floyd's.
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:23 AM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu 
> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
>     "Friends, it's very simple: if you support Barack Obama and the Democrats
>     -- even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all sophisticatedly
>     super-savvy and blogospherically strategic about it... -- you are
>     supporting the outright murder of innocent people who have never done
>     anything against you or yours. You have walked into a house, battered down
>     the bedroom door, put the barrel of a gun against the temple of a sleeping
>     child, and pulled the trigger. That is what you are supporting, that is
>     what you are complicit in, /*that is what you yourself are doing.*/"
>
>     Full article at
>     <http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html>.
>
>
>
>     On 10/18/10 10:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>     Tim Johnson is one of those who believes Life starts at conception and
>>     ends at birth.
>>      --Jenifer
>>
>>     --- On *Mon, 10/18/10, Morton K. Brussel /<brussel at illinois.edu>
>>     <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>         From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
>>         <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>
>>         Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
>>         To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>>         <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>>         Cc: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu> <mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>,
>>         "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>         <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>         Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:00 PM
>>
>>         The outrage of Estabrook seems reserved for Democrats, without
>>         regarding the very probable (consider what they're saying)
>>         consequences of having Tea-Party types and/or Republicans controling
>>         government. None of the execrable policies of the G.W. Bush or Obama
>>         administrations are likely to be revised or retracted.   He has
>>         forgotten about the Bush administration?
>>
>>         The mania of the current campaign aimed at David Gill, characterized
>>         as a stand-in for Obama, is perverse and contary to what has come
>>         from statements and presentations of Gill.   It's remarkable how much
>>         faith Carl has in Tim Johnson.
>>
>>         --mkb
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>>         This is outrageous special pleading.  It says to return the
>>>         Democrats to office, even though they're the ones responsible for
>>>         "unnecessary deaths of people in wars from [Palestine to Pakistan
>>>         and from Central Asia to the Horn of Africa]."
>>>
>>>         Of course the Democrats are also responsible for not extending
>>>         Medicare to all, not taking over the too-big-to-fail banks and
>>>         companies and running them for the public good, not stopping
>>>         foreclosures, not establishing an effective jobs program, etc., etc.
>>>         - and not by accident, but because they're working for the banks,
>>>         the insurance companies, the oil companies, the construction
>>>         companies, et al.
>>>
>>>         The Democrat’s allegedly reformist agenda masks programs to ensure
>>>         that no major stakeholder in his coalition of corporate backers will
>>>         suffer significant losses, and will even enjoy spectacular gains —
>>>         the perfection of the long right turn of the Democratic Party since
>>>         the 1970s, as financialization of the economy led to shedding New
>>>         Deal commitments so as to compete with the Republicans for corporate
>>>         patronage.
>>>
>>>         Reject the policies by not voting for them.  Vote Green or for
>>>         individual legislators who e.g. vote against the war, like Kucinich,
>>>         Paul, or Johnson (IL).  We'll still have to settle accounts with the
>>>         new Congress on war and social legislation, whoever is elected.
>>>
>>>         Say to the Democrats what Cromwell said to the Rump parliament:
>>>         "Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 10/18/10 4:50 PM, Ron Szoke wrote:
>>>>         	
>>>>         http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html
>>>>           	
>>>>         The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
>>>>
>>>>         By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
>>>>         October 15, 2010
>>>>
>>>>         If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan
>>>>         to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a
>>>>         lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if
>>>>         this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
>>>>
>>>>         The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities
>>>>         will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises
>>>>         on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war.
>>>>         The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then
>>>>         shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
>>>>
>>>>         However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy
>>>>         never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives
>>>>         abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 –
>>>>         not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the
>>>>         surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
>>>>
>>>>         All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or
>>>>         no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives,
>>>>         emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever
>>>>         more audacious style.
>>>>
>>>>         Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary
>>>>         deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America
>>>>         to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global
>>>>         warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea
>>>>         Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a
>>>>         livable planet.
>>>>
>>>>         In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only
>>>>         doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
>>>>
>>>>         .  .  .
>>>>         <much more>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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