[Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to Militia andRacist Groups
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Thu Oct 21 23:59:01 CDT 2010
You, ah, didn't answer the question...
---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:50:15 -0500
>From: "Morton K. Brussel" <brussel at illinois.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to Militia
andRacist Groups
>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>Cc: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com>, Peace-discuss List <peace-
discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>
> Again, no honest answer! Same old rhetorical
> gambit.
> Incidentally, they came out by the millions in
> Obama's election.
> What is a Democrat? Someone who voted for Obama?
> Someone who favors Gill? Someone who wants to vote
> for Kucinich? Your evidently have only your own
> bizarre/perverse definition. Perhaps you would
> reveal it?.
> --mkb
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:34 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
> Do you think that there are more anti-war
> Democrats than anti-war teapartiers?
>
> If so, where are they?
>
> On 10/21/10 11:22 PM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>
> Of course he has no data. Need one say more?
> --mkb
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Laurie Solomon
> wrote:
>
> Actually, I will give him the benefit of the
> doubt about having empirical supporting data
> to back up his assertion that "There are more
> anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats"
> ask for the exact number of tea-partiers there
> actually are as compared to the exact number
> of Democrat there actually are and the exact
> number and percentage of those total number of
> tea-partiers that are anti-war as compared
> with the same for total Democrats and anti-war
> Democrats. If he has the empirical data (as
> opposed to opinion or speculation) to support
> his statement that "There are more anti-war
> teapartiers than anti-war Democrats", he
> surely will have no trouble supplying me with
> the numbers and percentages as well as citing
> the sources of that data.
>
> As for his statement, "As an (actual)
> socialist, I deplore that fact", I cannot
> question the part where he says he deplores
> that fact ; but with respect to the first part
> of the statement, I would suggest that he is
> no more an "actual socialist"
> philosophically, ideologically, or practically
> than he is a race horse, a palm tree, or a
> rocket ship except in his own mind and his
> self-attaching the label to himself and his
> beliefs. To be sure, his believes may contain
> some elements drawn from the socialist
> tradition and some of his actions may have a
> socialist element to them; but that does not
> make him an "actual socialist" whatever the
> hell that means any more than standing in a
> garage makes one an automobile.
> From: Brussel
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:38 PM
> To: C. G. Estabrook
> Cc: Peace-discuss List
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report
> Ties Tea Party to Militia andRacist Groups
> Karen,
> Ask Carl where he gets his data (re. his first
> line below). Ask where most of the funding,
> who are the biggest contributors, and where
> most of the PR for the Tea party comes from.
> And so what conclusion may one draw?
> Don't be surprised if he switches the subject,
> refuses to answer, or cannot answer, because
> he doesn't have reliable sources.
> --mkb
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:18 AM, C. G. Estabrook
> wrote:
>
> Come on, Karen. There are more anti-war
> teapartiers than anti-war Democrats.
>
> Obama's co-option of the anti-war movement
> meant that there is no parallel among the
> Democrats to Ron Paul's movement of
> principled opposition to the war, nor to
> that of libertarians and paleoconservatives
> around the website Antiwar.com or the
> journal The American Conservative.
>
> As an (actual) socialist, I deplore that
> fact.
>
> On 10/21/10 9:30 AM, Karen Medina wrote:
>
> I did notice that there were very few "constitutionalists" around
> before the scare tactic of "they are going to give health care to
> undocumented immigrants" became popular.
>
> Very few of the tea-partiers are in the anti-war movement.
>
> All I am saying is that it is easy to count the ones that are consistent.
>
> With the ones that are inconsistent, it is harder to count them, but
> it is easy to tell if they have read the constitution.
>
> -karen medina
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