[Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to Militia andRacist Groups

[Morton K. Brussel]

Again, no honest answer!  Same old rhetorical gambit. 

Incidentally, they came out by the millions in Obama's election. 
What is a Democrat? Someone who voted for Obama? Someone who favors Gill? Someone who wants to vote for Kucinich? Your evidently have only your own bizarre/perverse definition. Perhaps you would reveal it?. 

--mkb

On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:34 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> Do you think that there are more anti-war Democrats than anti-war teapartiers? 
> 
> If so, where are they?
> 
> 
> On 10/21/10 11:22 PM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:
>> 
>> Of course he has no data. Need one say more? 
>> 
>> --mkb
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Laurie Solomon wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, I will give him the benefit of the doubt about having empirical supporting data to back up his assertion that "There are more anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats" ask for the exact number of tea-partiers there actually are as compared to the exact number of Democrat there actually are and the exact number and percentage of those total number of tea-partiers that are anti-war as compared with the same for total Democrats and anti-war Democrats.  If he has the empirical data (as opposed to opinion or speculation) to support his statement that "There are more anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats", he surely will have no trouble supplying me with the numbers and percentages as well as citing the sources of that data.
>>>  
>>> As for his statement, "As an (actual) socialist, I deplore that fact", I cannot question the part where he says he deplores that fact ; but with respect to the first part of the statement, I would suggest that he is no more an  "actual socialist" philosophically, ideologically, or practically than he is a race horse, a palm tree, or a rocket ship except in his own mind and his self-attaching the label to himself and his beliefs.  To be sure, his believes may contain some elements drawn from the socialist tradition and some of his actions may have a socialist element to them; but that does not make him an "actual socialist" whatever the hell that means any more than standing in a garage makes one an automobile.
>>> 
>>> From: Brussel
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:38 PM
>>> To: C. G. Estabrook
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to Militia andRacist Groups
>>> 
>>> Karen,
>>> 
>>> Ask Carl where he gets his data (re. his first line below). Ask where most of the funding, who are the biggest contributors, and where most of the PR for the Tea party comes from. And so what conclusion may one draw?
>>> 
>>> Don't be surprised if he switches the subject, refuses to answer, or cannot answer, because he doesn't have reliable sources. 
>>> 
>>> --mkb
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:18 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Come on, Karen. There are more anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats.
>>>> 
>>>> Obama's co-option of the anti-war movement meant that there is no parallel among the Democrats to Ron Paul's movement of principled opposition to the war, nor to that of libertarians and paleoconservatives around the website Antiwar.com or the journal The American Conservative. 
>>>> 
>>>> As an (actual) socialist, I deplore that fact. 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/21/10 9:30 AM, Karen Medina wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did notice that there were very few "constitutionalists" around
>>>>> before the scare tactic of "they are going to give health care to
>>>>> undocumented immigrants" became popular.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very few of the tea-partiers are in the anti-war movement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All I am saying is that it is easy to count the ones that are consistent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the ones that are inconsistent, it is harder to count them, but
>>>>> it is easy to tell if they have read the constitution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -karen medina
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