[Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to Militia andRacist Groups
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Thu Oct 21 23:34:32 CDT 2010
Do you think that there are more anti-war Democrats than anti-war teapartiers?
If so, where are they?
On 10/21/10 11:22 PM, Morton K. Brussel wrote:
> Of course he has no data. Need one say more?
>
> --mkb
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Laurie Solomon wrote:
>
>> Actually, I will give him the benefit of the doubt about having empirical
>> supporting data to back up his assertion that "There are more anti-war
>> teapartiers than anti-war Democrats" ask for the exact number of tea-partiers
>> there actually are as compared to the exact number of Democrat there actually
>> are and the exact number and percentage of those total number of tea-partiers
>> that are anti-war as compared with the same for total Democrats and anti-war
>> Democrats. If he has the empirical data (as opposed to opinion or
>> speculation) to support his statement that "There are more anti-war
>> teapartiers than anti-war Democrats", he surely will have no trouble
>> supplying me with the numbers and percentages as well as citing the sources
>> of that data.
>> As for his statement, "As an (actual) socialist, I deplore that fact", I
>> cannot question the part where he says he deplores that fact ; but with
>> respect to the first part of the statement, I would suggest that he is no
>> more an "actual socialist" philosophically, ideologically, or practically
>> than he is a race horse, a palm tree, or a rocket ship except in his own mind
>> and his self-attaching the label to himself and his beliefs. To be sure, his
>> believes may contain some elements drawn from the socialist tradition and
>> some of his actions may have a socialist element to them; but that does not
>> make him an "actual socialist" whatever the hell that means any more than
>> standing in a garage makes one an automobile.
>>
>> *From:* Brussel <mailto:brussel at illinois.edu>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:38 PM
>> *To:* C. G. Estabrook <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>> *Cc:* Peace-discuss List <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] DN: NAACP Report Ties Tea Party to Militia
>> andRacist Groups
>>
>> Karen,
>>
>> Ask Carl where he gets his data (re. his first line below). Ask where most of
>> the funding, who are the biggest contributors, and where most of the PR for
>> the Tea party comes from. And so what conclusion may one draw?
>>
>> Don't be surprised if he switches the subject, refuses to answer, or cannot
>> answer, because he doesn't have reliable sources.
>>
>> --mkb
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:18 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>> Come on, Karen. There are more anti-war teapartiers than anti-war Democrats.
>>>
>>> Obama's co-option of the anti-war movement meant that there is no parallel
>>> among the Democrats to Ron Paul's movement of principled opposition to the
>>> war, nor to that of libertarians and paleoconservatives around the website
>>> Antiwar.com <http://Antiwar.com/> or the journal /The American Conservative/.
>>>
>>> As an (actual) socialist, I deplore that fact.
>>>
>>> On 10/21/10 9:30 AM, Karen Medina wrote:
>>>> I did notice that there were very few "constitutionalists" around
>>>> before the scare tactic of "they are going to give health care to
>>>> undocumented immigrants" became popular.
>>>>
>>>> Very few of the tea-partiers are in the anti-war movement.
>>>>
>>>> All I am saying is that it is easy to count the ones that are consistent.
>>>>
>>>> With the ones that are inconsistent, it is harder to count them, but
>>>> it is easy to tell if they have read the constitution.
>>>>
>>>> -karen medina
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