[Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis
Laurie Solomon
ls1000 at live.com
Mon Sep 20 23:08:27 CDT 2010
>Yes Laurie, you have given yourself a heavy handicap, which only makes your competitiveness even more remarkable
I have absolutely no idea what the hell this means; but it does sure sound pretty - you sweet talker.
>Nevertheless, reducing the criteria for foolishness to the quantity of comments again, ironically, sends you to the front of the pack.
As for equating "not being taken seriously" with a "criteria of foolishness" is a product of you mind since the two do not necessarily go together. Many not so stupid, not so silly, not so idiotic, not so thoughtless, and not so imprudent statements, ideas, and/or thinkers have not been taken seriously throughout history. The court jesters often spoke truths and had insightful observations which they gave articulation to in silly, foolish, and comedic ways as a façade and not as substance; but because of the façade, they were not taken seriously. Others expressed thoughtless idiotic things with no substance at all but were taken seriously. All I was saying was that it may be the case that my comments are not treated seriously; but whether or not this is the case, I do not burden others with those remarks on a frequent and regular basis on every occasion and in every location. My non-serious remarks are occasional - often to lighten things up when I think they are getting to tense; and my serious comments which others may regard a not to be taken seriously are also infrequent as compared to those of others on and off the list. In short, I may not be taken seriously - I can accept that; but I do not indulge myself in engaging in a constant barrage of postings either as some who you have me in competition with do.
From: David Green
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:34 PM
To: Laurie Solomon
Cc: Peace Discuss
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis
Yes Laurie, you have given yourself a heavy handicap, which only makes your competitiveness even more remarkable. Nevertheless, reducing the criteria for foolishness to the quantity of comments again, ironically, sends you to the front of the pack.
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From: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis
Maybe so; but then again David, I am not constantly posting to this list, on the airwaves (radio and TV), or in the papers.
I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.
Whenever I fill out an application, in the part that says "If an emergency, notify:" I put "DOCTOR".
Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?
Why do Americans choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America ?
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
From: David Green
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 12:07 PM
To: Laurie Solomon
Cc: Peace Discuss
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeForTyingGodless To Nazis
Laurie, for those of us in the running for the honor of not to be taken seriously, you have invariably offered some pretty stiff competition.
DG
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From: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com>
To: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>; C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
Cc: E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>; Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 11:59:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeFor TyingGodless To Nazis
Funny, I have heard many people express the same comments with respect to Carl on many occasions that he has articulated in his post with respect to Dawkins, namely:
>If anyone took Dawkins seriously before this, I doubt they will now.
>If I thought anyone took Ditchkins seriously, I'd propose a symposium or panel on the subject. I doubt I'd find many takers.
Ironically, I do have to wonder how many people are really interested enough to actually tune into Carl's UPTV program once you discount his small group of followers and members of AWARE.
From: Morton K. Brussel
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:25 PM
To: C. G. Estabrook
Cc: E.Wayne Johnson ; Peace-discuss
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At PopeFor TyingGodless To Nazis
So what do you disagree with in Dawkins' reply? Arguments would be more useful than sneers. Perhaps you should read his book(s) and doff your parochial hat..
His remarks were both apt and appreciated.
--mkb
Thanks, Jenifer, for relaying these remarks.
On Sep 19, 2010, at 9:44 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
If anyone took Dawkins seriously before this, I doubt they will now.
For those who are still abject believers, I recommend Terry Eagleton, "Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate" (Yale UP pbk, 2010).
If I thought anyone took Ditchkins seriously, I'd propose a symposium or panel on the subject. I doubt I'd find many takers.
Actually, I'd be willing to host it on my UPTV program, News from Neptune.
But I don't think anyone's interested enough for that.
On 9/19/10 9:31 PM, E.Wayne Johnson wrote:
Most importantly, the Nazis were German.
That fact explains the lion's share of the variance.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:32 AM
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For TyingGodless To Nazis
Have at it, folks.
--Jenifer
--- On Sun, 9/19/10, fransears> wrote:
Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For Tying Godless To Nazis
Posted in Liberaland by Alan • September 17, 2010,
Pope Benedict’s speech to Queen Elizabeth in England praised how
Britain fought “Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from
society,” prompting one of the world’s best known atheists, Richard
Dawkins, to proclaim it “a despicable outrage.” What set off Dawkins
is this paragraph:
“Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders
stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society
and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were
thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to
Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed
the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect
on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth
century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and
virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man
and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his
destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).”
Dawkins responds:
Even if Hitler had been an atheist, his political philosophy was not
based upon atheism and had no connection with atheism. Hitler was
arguably (and by his own account) a Roman Catholic. In any case he
enjoyed the open support of many of the most senior catholic clergy in
Germany and the less demonstrative support of Pope Pius XII. Even if
Hitler had been an atheist (he certainly was not), the rank and file
Germans who carried out the attempted extermination of the Jews were
Christians, almost to a man: either Catholic or Lutheran, primed to
their anti-Semitism by centuries of Catholic propaganda about
‘Christ-killers’ and by Martin Luther’s own seething hatred of the
Jews. To mention Ratzinger’s membership of the Hitler Youth might be
thought to be fighting dirty, but my feeling is that the gloves are
off after this disgraceful paragraph by the pope.
Dawkins is urging a letter-writing campaign to British media in protest, adding:
I am incandescent with rage at the sycophantic BBC coverage, and the
sight of British toadies bowing and scraping to this odious man. I
thought he was bad before. This puts the lid on it.
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