[Peace-discuss] Gaza bumper sticker conversation was Re: Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 95, Issue 20

[David Green]

This woman doesn't have a clue. She deploys every hasbara trick in the book. Fulbright would be turning in his grave.
 
DG


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> From: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
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>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Gaza bumper sticker conversation was Re: Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 95, Issue 20
> 
>The hate crime / xenophobia / thought-crime / kedesophobia
>conversation reminded me of a conversation at the AWARE table last
>weekend.
>
>Two women were looking over the bumper stickers and calendars, when
>one of the women noticed our new bumper sticker, "Gaza, The World's
>Largest Outdoor Prison" and decided to voice her disagreement.
>
>She had been on a Fulbright Scholarship to Israel and she came home
>full of Israeli history, evidently.
>
>She said Israel had made wonderful generous offers in the years of
>1917, 1936, 1948, and 1978. [None of these dates were even in her
>lifetime, so that would have been an interesting point I failed to
>make.] But also, Francis Boyle had advised Palestine during a few of
>the Israeli offers, and his stories are quite worth knowing about.
>(see note 1)
>
>Anyway, she went on and on about how the 1948 Palestinian exodus was
>by choice -- they were going to Jordan and other countries because the
>Palestinians had been promised that those countries would send their
>militaries back with the Palestinians and take care of the Israelis
>once and for all. She denied that the Israeli army was massacring
>people. (see note 2 if you are interested in multiple stories about
>the same event.)
>
>After much heated conversation, she said something about even the
>Muslims have the right to have a pure Muslim democracy. And I think I
>surprised her when I said that I don't think a single race or
>religious group has the right to their own nation and that such a
>country could never claim to be a democracy. She was taken aback --
>the only time during our conversation when she was taken aback.
>
>Anyway, it was kind of fun. But I was surprised by the conversation
>and not up on my Palestinian history enough to be confident.
>
>She mentioned several things that I should read, and I failed to
>mention anything she should read, though Norman Finkelstein and even
>Jimmy Carter would have been fine to mention. Chomsky, and Boyle would
>also have been worth mentioning.
>
>
>Note 1: Francis A. Boyle's resume includes:
>* Counsel, Concerned Academics for Peace and Justice in the Middle
>East (1984-86).
>* Legal Adviser to the Palestine Liberation Organization (from 1987)
>and the Provisional Government of the State of Palestine (from 1988)
>on the creation of the State of Palestine, its accession to the Geneva
>Conventions and Protocols, invocation of the Uniting for Peace
>Resolution, admission to the United Nations Organization, accepting
>the I.C.C.’s jurisdiction, etc.
>* Legal Adviser to the Republic of Lithuania under President Vytautas
>Landsbergis (1991-92).
>* Legal Adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace
>Negotiations (1991-93).
>* Legal Adviser to the Syrian Delegation to the Middle East Peace
>Negotiations during their First Round in Washington, D.C. (1991).
>* Counsel to Libya, in Cases Concerning Questions of Interpretation
>And Application Of The 1971 Montreal Convention Arising From The
>Aerial Incident At Lockerbie (Libya v. United Kingdom) (Libya v.
>United States).  See Orders of 14 April 1992, 1992 I.C.J. Rep. at 3
>and 114, 31 Int'l L. Mats. 662 (1992).
>* General Agent for the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina with
>Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Powers before the International
>Court of Justice by appointment of President Alija Izetbegovic (March
>19, 1993 to January 12, 1994).
>...
>
>Note 2: 1948 / The Wikipedia entry is kind of interesting because it
>mentions so many different stories inside the main story of the
>Palestinians leaving. It is definitely not pro-Palestinian:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
>
>Note 3: I also think the following bumper sticker would be worthy of my car:
>"It was wrong in Auschwitz it is wrong in Gaza"
>
>Sincerely,
>Karen Medina
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