[Peace-discuss] What the Right thinks

Thu Dec 29 12:31:15 CST 2011

I actually thought that the analysis of the Teapartiers offered by the  
well-known sociologist Theda Skocpol was surprisingly superficial.

Here's a better one, I think: <http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/6615/outrage_misguided/ 
 >.

The attitude toward immigration that you sketch surely characterizes  
the neoliberal position, if not (many) Teapartiers.

On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:00 AM, David Johnson wrote:

>  "with all due respect, and remember I'm saying it with all due  
> respect, that idea ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a  
> dolphin getting it on..."
>
> Good one Carl !
>
> I understand what you are saying Carl, it's just that Ann Coulter is  
> the worst of the worst, and it is no exageration to characterize her  
> as a " nazi ".
> In one of her books she advocated the death penalty for liberals  
> ( or anyone else ) who oppose the neo-con agenda.
>
> In your other posting " Remakably Jejune ", about the differences  
> between the rank and file grassroots Tea Party people and the  
> corporate Tea Party front groups of the neo-con elitists, that was  
> interesting !
>
> In particular the grassroots Tea Party people ; expressing support  
> for social security and medicare, their concerns about civil  
> liberties and rights to privacy for individuals, as well as the fact  
> that the majority of them are small business owners.
> The fact that the majority are most concerned about the immigration  
> issue was interesting, in that you would think that since most are  
> small business owners that they would be happy to exploit  
> undocumented Workers for their cheap Labor and the undocumented  
> Workers fear of reporting any abuses against them to the Dept. of  
> Labor.
> Also, I would have thought that most of these grassroots Tea Party  
> people would be mostly Ron Paul supporters, which it appears their  
> not and that a majority would vote for any republican ( even  
> corporate Romney ) to get rid of Obama.
>
> David J.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl G. Estabrook
> To: David Johnson
> Cc: Peace-discuss List
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] What the Right thinks
>
> She represents (& even influences) the views of some of or fellow  
> citizens, so it's worthwhile to know what those views are, in order  
> to know how to answer them.
>
> "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to  
> worry about answers."
>
> An example is the charge that Obama is a socialist. To those of us  
> who really are socialists, in a tradition more than two centuries  
> old, that's not worth a reply. But when Americans today make that  
> charge, they're saying Obama heads a government that runs an economy  
> for the benefit of a few. (Where could they get the idea that that's  
> what socialism is?) And of course they're right. So it won't do  
> simply to say (correctly), "No, Obama isn't a socialist."
>
> Even though (to quote that contemporary cultural artefact, Talladega  
> Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby) "with all due respect, and  
> remember I'm saying it with all due respect, that idea ain't worth a  
> velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on..."
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:36 PM, David Johnson wrote:
>
>> With all due respect Carl,
>>
>> Who gives a shit what this elitist nazi nutcase Ann Coulter thinks  
>> or says ?
>>
>> David Johnson
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu 
>> >
>> To: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:15 PM
>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] What the Right thinks
>>
>>
>> It's interesting to see that Coulter thinks the two most important
>> issues are (1) immigration and (2) Obamacare. But both are supported
>> by the currently regnant ideology of the right, neoliberalism:
>>
>> [1] Neolberals support immigration, legal and illegal. "First, there
>> isn’t a single US corporation that doesn’t have an HR office  
>> committed
>> to respecting the differences between cultures, to making sure that
>> your culture is respected whether or not your standard of living is.
>> And, second, multiculturalism and diversity more generally are even
>> more effective as a legitimizing tool, because they suggest that the
>> ultimate goal of social justice in a neoliberal economy is not that
>> there should be less difference between the rich and the poor—indeed
>> the rule in neoliberal economies is that the difference between the
>> rich and the poor gets wider rather than shrinks—but that no culture
>> should be treated invidiously and that it’s basically OK if economic
>> differences widen as long as the increasingly successful elites come
>> to look like the increasingly unsuccessful non-elites. So the model  
>> of
>> social justice is not that the rich don’t make as much and the poor
>> make more, the model of social justice is that the rich make whatever
>> they make, but an appropriate percentage of them are minorities or
>> women..."
>>
>> [2] Neoliberals also support Obamacare because it staves off tax-
>> supported single payer while funneling money to the insurance  
>> companies.
>>
>> But Coulter opposes both, apparently for fear that they will lead to
>> higher taxes to support further social services (that Obamacare e.g.
>> will slip over into single-payer rather than guard against it).
>>
>> "Only One Candidate Is Right On The Two Most Important Issues"
>> by Ann Coulter 12/28/2011
>>
>> http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48423
>>
>>
>>
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