[Peace-discuss] several reports of police in NYC and San Franinsympathy with protesters

[Laurie Solomon]

First, for purposes of clarification, I did not read the original article 
but responded to what was quoted in the post - the comments in the second 
paragraph in particular. Secondly, the remarks in that paragraph does not 
distinguish between "white shirt" or command officers and "blue shirt"  or 
line patrol officers but refers explicitly to cops in general (e.g., "This 
is not to say that the police can be our "friends", nor do I  believe they 
are workers in uniform (unlike the soldiers)").  The white shirt cops are 
similar to officers in the military in that they are typically considered 
management, supervisors, or administrators; whereas the beat cop in blue 
shirts are like enlisted men in the military in that they are typically the 
line workers.  Thus, this was the basis for my question.  As to who the 
command and police management works for or report to, that is an entirely 
different matter from what I was enquiring about and answerts to your 
questions do not answer mine.

-----Original Message----- 
From: C. G. ESTABROOK
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:33 PM
To: Laurie Solomon
Cc: peace-discuss ; sf-core
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] several reports of police in NYC and San 
Franinsympathy with protesters

See 
<http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/10/financial-giants-put-new-york-city-cops-on-their-payroll/
>:

"Who Do the White Shirt Police Report to at Occupy Wall Street
Protests?"

"Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll..."


On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Laurie Solomon wrote:

> In this article, I fail to see why the author would regard the  “police” 
> as being different from “soldiers” in that they are not  working class 
> workers in uniform.  Both categories of workers either  are workers in 
> uniform or they are not workers in uniform.  The  nature of the uniform or 
> the agency that they work for does not make  any significant difference as 
> far as I can see; and the author fails  to offer any evidence to support 
> any differences.
>
> From: David Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:58 AM
> To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@chambana.net
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] several reports of police in NYC and San  Fran 
> insympathy with protesters
>
> On the police beatings, to which Karen refers: The "white shirts"  are the 
> officers (sergeants, lieutenants, etc.) I have heard a  number of stories, 
> which I can't confirm, such as that after the  first day of police attacks 
> some 100 cops refused to come to work  the next day. Yesterday in San 
> Francisco there was a police action  against the protesters there in which 
> they confiscated some of their  tents, etc. I was told that some of the 
> cops actually were in tears.
>
> This is not to say that the police can be our "friends", nor do I  believe 
> they are workers in uniform (unlike the soldiers). I think  it does show 
> that the state's hold on them is not absolute, though.
>
> John
>
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