[Peace-discuss] High crime

[E. Wayne Johnson]

- williambanzai7

On 1/2/2012 2:41 AM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
> As this list indicates, motives for voting against the NDAA (perhaps 
> best called the Indefinite Detention Bill, to indicate its 
> unconstitutionality) were various. Some senators wanted to put the 
> incarceration of (suspected) terrorists into the hands of the military 
> precisely to take it out of the hands of the administration (an 
> interesting distinction in itself).
>
> That - and nothing else - is  what Obama objected to & led him to make 
> his veto threats. His signing statement makes that clear.
>
> Some of these senators voted no because the bill didn't clearly 
> delimit the administration & empower the military.
>
> Actually, that might have been a good idea: to require military 
> custody is to admit that the suspected terrorists must be regarded as 
> prisoners of war, and thus treated in accord with the Geneva Conventions.
>
> The Bush administration invented the category of "unlawful combatant" 
> to avoid that, and of course the dodge was continued by the Obama 
> administration.
>
> Obama is intending to violate both the Bill of Rights and the laws of 
> war, as Bush did. No wonder he doesn't want to prosecute Bush & co. 
> for war crimes: he's committing all of them himself.
>
>
> On Jan 1, 2012, at 11:39 AM, David Johnson wrote:
>
>> The 13 senators who voted against the bill were Dick Durbin 
>> (D-Ill.),Ben Cardin (D-Md.),Al Franken (D-Minn.),Tom Harkin 
>> (D-Iowa),Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.),Ron Wyden (D-Ore.),Bernie Sanders 
>> (I-Vt.), Jim Risch (R-Idaho),Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Mike Lee (R-Utah),Jim 
>> DeMint (R-S.C.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.).
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: C. G. ESTABROOK
>> To: sf-core
>> Cc: Peace-discuss List
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] High crime
>>
>> "Obama Crowned Himself on New Year's Eve"
>> By davidswanson - Posted on 01 January 2012
>> http://davidswanson.org/node/3508
>>
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>> Obama has signed the clearly unconstitutional Military Detention 
>>> Bill (NDAA) - quietly, on New Year's Eve, while on vacation in 
>>> Hawaii.  He and the congressional representatives who voted for it 
>>> have violated their oath to uphold the Constitution. It's not too 
>>> much to suggest that this bill resembles the Enabling Act of 23 
>>> March 1933.
>>>
>>> "Will the bill hurt Obama? Probably not too much, if at all. 
>>> Liberals are never very energetic in protecting constitutional 
>>> rights. That’s more the province of libertarians and other wackos 
>>> like Ron Paul  actually prepared to draw lines in the sand in 
>>> matters of principle" [Alex Cockburn].
>>>
>>> "Think, if you can, of a single instance in which a plainly written 
>>> provision of the Constitution has ever been denied. If by the mere 
>>> force of numbers, a majority should deprive a minority of any 
>>> clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of 
>>> view, justify revolution - certainly would, if such right were a 
>>> vital one" [Abraham Lincoln].
>>>
>>> All the more so if a minority - 1% - should through its agents 
>>> deprive the majority of a "clearly written constitutional right": 
>>> the bill Obama signed today  is a direct assault on the First, 
>>> Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth Amendments.
>>>
>>> --CGE
>>>
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