[Peace-discuss] High crime

[E. Wayne Johnson]

On 1/2/2012 11:23 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>
>
> - williambanzai7
>
> On 1/2/2012 2:41 AM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
>> As this list indicates, motives for voting against the NDAA (perhaps 
>> best called the Indefinite Detention Bill, to indicate its 
>> unconstitutionality) were various. Some senators wanted to put the 
>> incarceration of (suspected) terrorists into the hands of the 
>> military precisely to take it out of the hands of the administration 
>> (an interesting distinction in itself).
>>
>> That - and nothing else - is  what Obama objected to & led him to 
>> make his veto threats. His signing statement makes that clear.
>>
>> Some of these senators voted no because the bill didn't clearly 
>> delimit the administration & empower the military.
>>
>> Actually, that might have been a good idea: to require military 
>> custody is to admit that the suspected terrorists must be regarded as 
>> prisoners of war, and thus treated in accord with the Geneva 
>> Conventions.
>>
>> The Bush administration invented the category of "unlawful combatant" 
>> to avoid that, and of course the dodge was continued by the Obama 
>> administration.
>>
>> Obama is intending to violate both the Bill of Rights and the laws of 
>> war, as Bush did. No wonder he doesn't want to prosecute Bush & co. 
>> for war crimes: he's committing all of them himself.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2012, at 11:39 AM, David Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> The 13 senators who voted against the bill were Dick Durbin 
>>> (D-Ill.),Ben Cardin (D-Md.),Al Franken (D-Minn.),Tom Harkin 
>>> (D-Iowa),Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.),Ron Wyden (D-Ore.),Bernie Sanders 
>>> (I-Vt.), Jim Risch (R-Idaho),Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Mike Lee 
>>> (R-Utah),Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Tom Coburn 
>>> (R-Okla.).
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: C. G. ESTABROOK
>>> To: sf-core
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] High crime
>>>
>>> "Obama Crowned Himself on New Year's Eve"
>>> By davidswanson - Posted on 01 January 2012
>>> http://davidswanson.org/node/3508
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obama has signed the clearly unconstitutional Military Detention 
>>>> Bill (NDAA) - quietly, on New Year's Eve, while on vacation in 
>>>> Hawaii.  He and the congressional representatives who voted for it 
>>>> have violated their oath to uphold the Constitution. It's not too 
>>>> much to suggest that this bill resembles the Enabling Act of 23 
>>>> March 1933.
>>>>
>>>> "Will the bill hurt Obama? Probably not too much, if at all. 
>>>> Liberals are never very energetic in protecting constitutional 
>>>> rights. That’s more the province of libertarians and other wackos 
>>>> like Ron Paul  actually prepared to draw lines in the sand in 
>>>> matters of principle" [Alex Cockburn].
>>>>
>>>> "Think, if you can, of a single instance in which a plainly written 
>>>> provision of the Constitution has ever been denied. If by the mere 
>>>> force of numbers, a majority should deprive a minority of any 
>>>> clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of 
>>>> view, justify revolution - certainly would, if such right were a 
>>>> vital one" [Abraham Lincoln].
>>>>
>>>> All the more so if a minority - 1% - should through its agents 
>>>> deprive the majority of a "clearly written constitutional right": 
>>>> the bill Obama signed today  is a direct assault on the First, 
>>>> Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth Amendments.
>>>>
>>>> --CGE
>>>>
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