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----- Original Message -----
From: "Claudia Lennhoff" <claudia at shout.net>
To: "Gene Vanderport" <lightport at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net>; "sf-core"
<sf-core at yahoogroups.com>; "Peace-discuss"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>; "JWJ C-U"
<centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>; "William Bloomington Campbell"
<bill at campbellkording.com>; "Bill Gorrell" <laborer at mchsi.com>; "Colm
Mistéil" <colmmisteil at gmail.com>; "Dave Powers" <pengdust at aol.com>; "Jim
Eyman" <banjogramps at gmail.com>; "Neil Parthun" <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>;
"Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>; "stefen robinson"
<stefenrobinson at yahoo.com>; "Claudia Lennhoff" <claudia at shout.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day
> Dear All,
>
> Gene, I agree with you.
>
> For what it's worth, I believe that you can be both a single payer
> supporter/activist, and someone who ALSO sees how the health reform law
> will benefit millions of people, AND how it will help pave the way for
> universal health care and even single payer in our country (both through
> the content of the law, and also through the community organizing
> possibilities implementation of health reform presents).
>
> Saying that the ACA will benefit people in real ways does not mean you
> should lose your single-payer supporter/activist credentials. It just
> means that you realistically understand that millions of people in our
> country, and thousands in our cities and county locally, WILL have their
> lives improved by having access to insurance and therefore to health care.
>
> I see people's lives and health improve every single day when they qualify
> for health insurance -- whether it's Medicaid or Medicare (socialized
> health insurance) or whether it's a private for-profit plan such as Health
> Alliance, by virtue of gaining coverage through a new job.
>
> Illinois' own great programs (that have now been slashed in the budget
> butchery), FamilyCare and All Kids, offered both public and private health
> coverage (private was subsidized), and those programs DID help thousands
> of people, the same way that the ACA will. I didn't see the single-payer
> activists (and I am one) up in arms about those programs when IL created
> and implemented them. I saw first hand how those programs improved the
> lives of parents and their children.
>
> Also, I work closely with the activists and advocates in Mass. who played
> a big role in getting that program up and going (and many of them are
> single-payer activists), and I personally know quite a few residents of
> Mass. who have benefited from the health coverage they got because of that
> state's program. Those benefits are real and do improve people's lives.
>
> Is the ACA the way I would have designed universal health care for the
> United States? No, of course not. I would have designed universal health
> care as a single payer system -- a modification and expansion of Medicare
> (Medicare for All!).
>
> However, it is important to note that even Medicare relies on private
> health insurance companies. There is no big central Medicare office where
> Medicare processes all of its health insurance claims. That processing of
> Part A, Part B, etc. claims takes place through private health insurance
> companies that bid for, and get the federal government contracts for
> processing claims in the various regions of the country. So, even with the
> hallowed Medicare program, there IS a role for private health insurance
> companies within that program.
>
> That's a bit of a digression.
>
> Despite my critiques and disappointments with the health reform law
> (namely that it so heavily benefits and depends upon private health
> insurance companies, and continues to commodify health care and health
> insurance and retain the profit motive in those), I DO believe that the
> law DOES and WILL provide very important benefits to the people of our
> nation, and the people in our community.
>
> It's not helpful to just say that the ACA is bad, just because it's not
> single-payer. In fact, understanding the ACA inside and out, in a real
> way, helps us advocates see the opportunities for pushing for
> single-payer, or pushing for non-profit insurance opportunities which
> could be transformative for our health care system.
>
> Here are some facts about the health reform law:
>
> 1. More people WILL be insured because of this bill.
>
> 2. More people ARE ALREADY insured because of this bill -- for example:
>
> - adult children (up to age 26) who have been able to get on to their
> parents' health insurance;
>
> - children who insurance companies could no longer deny coverage for
> pre-existing conditions;
>
> - people who got to keep their health insurance when they got diagnosed
> with a serious illness because health insurance companies are now
> prohibited from rescinding coverage;
>
> - people who can not get insurance coverage through the states'
> pre-existing conditions health insurance plans for the "uninsurable"
> (Illinois' plan is at: http://insurance.illinois.gov/ipxp/)
>
> 3. Health insurance coverage will expand tremendously in 2014 for millions
> of previously uninsured individuals. Some will get health insurance
> through Medicaid (when categorical eligibility will be done away with, and
> people will qualify solely on the basis of their income -- for example,
> single, non-disabled adults will be able to qualify). Others will get
> private health insurance, and many will get that private health insurance
> subsidized so that it will be affordable for them. The subsidy will be a
> sliding scale subsidy available to folks who have incomes of up to 400% of
> the federal poverty level.
>
> Here is a link to the health insurance premium subsidy calculator:
> http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx
>
> 4. Non-profit health insurance CO-OPs (encouraged and supported under the
> ACA), have tremendous potential to transform the health care system and
> health care markets, to move them away from the dominance of profit-driven
> systems
> (see this opinion piece by Wendell Potter:
> http://njtoday.net/2012/05/29/opinion-could-nonprofit-health-insurance-plans-be-the-real-reformers/)
>
> Lastly, as a community organizer, I want to say that being knowledgeable
> of the ACA and helping people enroll in insurance, provides a foundation
> for future organizing and for building support for single-payer health
> care.
>
> If you continually tell people that the ACA is a piece of crap and that
> they are being hoodwinked even as they live the new benefits they've
> gotten, how much credibility will you have? Versus, how much credibility
> will you have when you say, "this is good, but there's an even better way,
> and you can help..."
>
> The Supreme Court decision was a tremendous victory. Gene is right -- it
> is a step in the right direction (an awkward, complicated, lurching step,
> but still a step), and we must use it.
>
> Those are my 2 cents (times 1,000). I won't respond to this thread of
> e-mails; just wanted to weigh in, as someone who works on this day in and
> day out and has been fighting for single-payer and universal health care
> for lots and lots of years.
>
> Sincerely,
> Claudia Lennhoff, Executive Director
> Champaign County Health Care Consumers
>
>
>
> On 7/1/12 7:28 PM, Gene Vanderport wrote:
>> More people are insured b'c of this bill than there were insured without
>> it. It is a step in the right direction, if we use it so.......
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
>> *To:* Gene Vanderport <lightport at sbcglobal.net>
>> *Cc:* sf-core <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>; Peace-discuss
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; JWJ C-U
>> <centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>; William Bloomington Campbell
>> <bill at campbellkording.com>; Bill Gorrell <laborer at mchsi.com>; Colm
>> Mistéil <colmmisteil at gmail.com>; Dave Powers <pengdust at aol.com>; david
>> johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>; Jim Eyman <banjogramps at gmail.com>; Neil
>> Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>; Ricky Baldwin
>> <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>; stefen robinson <stefenrobinson at yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Sun, July 1, 2012 7:24:18 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day
>>
>> *I respect Michael Moore but this statement from him is DELUSIONAL !*
>> **
>> *" Obama moving the ball down the court ", " a victory for the people "
>> ?*
>> *What planet is he living on ?*
>> **
>> *This is NOT the reality of most Working people in this counrty !*
>> **
>> *Read my previous post from Doctors for National Healthcare.*
>> **
>> *It is easy for Michael Moore, a millionaire, to make such a superfical
>> statement to defend Obama and the DNC, which he has obviously bought
>> into.*
>> **
>> *This phoney Obama healthcare bill does NOTHING to further the cause of
>> national healthcare for all, in fact in protects and entrenches the
>> private capitalist health insurance industry and the Pharmacetucial
>> industry, and will make working people WORSE OFF , with less money and
>> no and / or inadequate health insurance and it will make OUR work, that
>> is those who are TRUELY " Socialists " and " Progressives" more
>> difficult !*
>> *Which side are YOU TRUELY on ?*
>> *Working people or the corporate contolled democratic party ?*
>> *David Johnson*
>> *'*
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Gene Vanderport <mailto:lightport at sbcglobal.net>
>> *To:* central il jwj <mailto:CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>
>> *Cc:* Socialist Forum <mailto:sf-core at yahoogroups.com> ; ISO
>> Champaign <mailto:iso.champaign at gmail.com> ; Central IL Wobs
>> <mailto:cigmb at iww.org> ; occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net> ; Occupy Champaign
>> Urbana <mailto:occupy.cu at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:29 PM
>> *Subject:* [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day
>>
>>
>> Plese check out the quote below........from Michael Moore......
>> Germaine
>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>> *From:* "cbloice at comcast.net <mailto:cbloice at comcast.net>"
>> <cbloice at comcast.net <mailto:cbloice at comcast.net>>
>> *To:* CCDS - Members <Members at lists.cc-ds.org
>> <mailto:Members at lists.cc-ds.org>>
>> *Sent:* Sun, July 1, 2012 2:58:33 PM
>> *Subject:* [CCDS Members] Quote of the Day
>>
>> Quote of the Day
>> July 1, 2012
>>
>> 'So take some time tonight to celebrate; this is a
>> victory for the people. Actually, more than a victory,
>> it is a mandate that all of us must now make sure
>> that a second-term Obama continues to move the
>> ball down the field, toward a system like they have
>> in every other First World country on the planet. He
>> simply has to improve Medicare and then expand it
>> to every citizen in the country. The countries that do
>> this, their people live an average of two to four years
>> longer than we do. Is there a reason anyone doesn't
>> want an extra four years of their lives? Or that our
>> babies would have a better chance of surviving their
>> first year like they do in the 48 countries that have a
>> better infant mortality rate than we do? Exactly who
>> is opposed to this? You'd have to be a bit.crazy. '
>>
>> Filmmaker/Activist Michael Moore
>> June 28, 2012
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ckuylaw
>>
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