[Peace-discuss] [Discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
Astrid Berkson
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Mon Jul 30 19:09:29 UTC 2012
gill has been active in the single payer group for over 20 years, and it
is one of his main goals in washington
On 7/30/2012 1:57 PM, pengdust at aol.com wrote:
> I usually don't participate in thee online disputes BUT .... as a
> precarious worker I do have a few things to say:
> Be wary of the "chipping away at the stone" strategy of placating some
> to generate division, complacency and submission. To avert an
> unavoidable critical mass. This is a tried and true partisan strategy
> [especicially in election year] to let some of the discontent subside,
> a pressure valve so to speak to protect "Business as usual."
> I say: "Sure take it as a small gain.... BUT WE do not owe the
> bastards one damn thing in return! The response should be -- 'We beg
> for nothing! Because we demand everything!'"
> I agree with Dave. This is a corporate/partisan shell-game in an
> election year, it's more about the "tactic of exclusion than
> inclusion." No better than Obama-Care Where the ONLY REAL debate was
> over "who to exclude, and how to protect/increase corporate profits."
> Single-payer was NEVER allowed to be spoken.
> Maybe setting the bed on fire is a reaonable response to an
> abusive/brutal relationship?
> That's it,
> davep
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>
> To: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>; sf-core
> <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>; Peace-discuss List
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; C-U Citzens for Peace and Justice
> <discuss-communitycourtwatch at lists.chambana.net>; Astrid Berkson
> <astridjb at comcast.net>; JWJ C-U <centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l]
> Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
>
> Sorry, but I have to say, with respect to my friend David who is a very
> passionate and dedicated ad a tireless advocate, and I am glad we have him
> around to speak up when he sees a wrong being committed, that these things below
> are not mutually exclusive, and there is value to making the most of the current
> situation - even though it is not what we wanted or what we need.
>
> Medicare for All, single-payer, or a British-style National Health, or something
> else national and universal and free, is clearly the solution to the problem of
> healthcare for the poor and working classes in this very rich and very unequal
> country. Obviously we do not have that. Clearly we should work for it. It
> should be our stated and our actual goal. We should never let the rich or their
> media or their politicians forget it. We should never say to Rush and others
> who accuse of that goal, no, we just want some incremental change right now,
> it's not a step toward 'socialized medicine.' We should say "It wish it were all
> the things you say, because that's what we need in this country.'
>
> We have devoted considerable effort to pushing for it already, but we have not
> gotten it, not even close. (I say 'we', because I have always been fully
> supportive and have done what I could, but many many others have given much more
> time and money than I have to this cause. Some have dedicated their lives to
> it, and among those are people who say this is the best we could get right now.)
> That is largely because many of the people who supported these lesser plans to
> not actually support what we are thinking of. Those people are not our friends.
> But to refuse to work with them towards a winnable compromise when we have seen
> how hard it is to get to our ultimate goal is to shoot ourselves - and the
> working people who benefit from this law - in the foot, and in some cases in a
> lot of other places, too.
>
> It's foolhardy to pretend this law will fix all our problems. But it is way
> off-base to say that the effort to make the most of the current laws/ options is
> a distraction or a waste of time, any more than helping someone understand how
> to fill out the forms to get health benefits at work - or ensuring that anyone
> who is eligible for any benefit does get it - is a waste of time. It isn't. It
> helps people. Obamacare helps people. Just not enough people. And not enough
> help.
>
> Is it a waste of time to fight for raises for one group of workers even though a
> lot of others need a raise? Or because the wage system should be abolished?
> Some have made that argument. Unfortunately, the just society we deserve
> doesn't seem to be just around the corner. And in the meantime, I think if we
> can get raises or health insurance for some people who need them, we take it and
> move on, hopefully to more. Like a ratchet. Would it be better to approach
> wages differently, too? In Sweden, for example, they negotiate on a national
> level for the lowest wages in the country, and that way nobody drops below that.
> I would like to see that here. It just doesn't seem in the offing.
>
> Hopefully we will be able to eventually build a national movement, and
> international movement even, that can accomplish these things. But we have no
> such movement now.
>
> I can understand criticizing Gingrich-care or Clinton-care or Romney-care in
> Massachusetts or Obamacare when they were proposed, saying what we need is
> single-payer, etc. I did that, too. Trumka and others did, too. When the
> window is open, we try for everything we can get, right? I can understand
> pointing out the shortcomings of Obamacare now. CCHCC and others have done so.
> We need to get people thinking about what we still need to do. But it is not "a
> waste of time" to ensure that people get the most out of it, especially people
> who have very little alternative.
>
> I don't expect everyone to agree, but I think CCHCC's work on this is very
> important and we should all support it in any way we can.
>
> Solidarity,
> Ricky
> ________________________________________
> From:CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com <mailto:CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com> [CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com <mailto:CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> David Johnson [dlj725 at hughes.net <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>]
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:24 PM
> To: sf-core; Peace-discuss List; C-U Citzens for Peace and Justice; Astrid
> Berkson; JWJ C-U
> Subject: Fw: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces
> State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
>
>
>
> Correction !
>
> EVERYBODY IN, NOBODY OUT !
>
> Healthcare for all NOW !
>
> No Phoney corporate propoganda substitutes that distract and divide us and
> strengthen the private health insurance corporate special interests.
>
> The ONLY sollution is Medicare for all,
> like EVERY industrialized country in the world EXCEPT the U.S., and even some
> third world countries have the equivalent of Medicare for all.
>
> WE need to focus on how we begin to force the corporate powers that be,
> republican and DEMOCRAT, to begin implementing the ONLY SOLLUTION to our
> healthcare crisis, that is, single payer ( Medicare for ALL ) healthcare.
>
> David J.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Johnson<mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net?>>
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> ; C-U Citzens for Peace and Justice<mailto:discuss-communitycourtwatch at lists.chambana.net <mailto:discuss-communitycourtwatch at lists.chambana.net?>>
> ;astridjb at comcast.net <mailto:astridjb at comcast.net><mailto:astridjb at comcast.net <mailto:astridjb at comcast.net?>> ; JWJ C-U<mailto:centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com <mailto:centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com?>>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces
> State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
>
> Sure Astrid,
>
> Let me rephrase this.
>
> Do WE want REAL results, that is, health care for ALL, nobody in and nobody out
> ?
>
> OR
>
> Will we allow ourselves to be distracted and divided by the corporate interests
> to accept their corporate sollution via the Democratic National Committee ( DNC
> ) ?
>
> David J.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Astrid Berkson<mailto:astridjb at comcast.net <mailto:astridjb at comcast.net?>>
> To: David Johnson<mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net?>>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces
> State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
>
> it is nice to demand, but not often effective. we need to get as much as we can
> because the more we get now the more we can get later
> On 7/29/2012 4:23 PM, David Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Johnson<mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net?>>
> To:occupycu at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net><mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net?>> ;
> s.hansen at comcast.net <mailto:s.hansen at comcast.net><mailto:s.hansen at comcast.net <mailto:s.hansen at comcast.net?>>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal
> Partnership Health Exchange
>
> This is a Waste of time and a distraction of what needs to be done !
>
> WE Need to demand a single payer healthcare system in the state of Illinois like
> Vermont has done !
>
> David Johnson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:s.hansen at comcast.net <mailto:s.hansen at comcast.net><mailto:s.hansen at comcast.net <mailto:s.hansen at comcast.net?>>
> To:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net><mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net?>>
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:51 AM
> Subject: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal
> Partnership Health Exchange
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Champaign County Health Care Consumers" <cchcc at healthcareconsumers.org <mailto:cchcc at healthcareconsumers.org><mailto:cchcc at healthcareconsumers.org <mailto:cchcc at healthcareconsumers.org?>>>
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> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:59:39 AM
> Subject: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health
> Exchange
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> On behalf of Champaign County Health Care Consumers (CCHCC), we would like
> thank everyone who signed the petition calling on Illinois' Governor Quinn
> to establish the Health Exchange, whether online, in our office, at the
> Urbana Farmer's Market, or at one of our Task Force meetings.
>
> Last week Governor Quinn announced that Illinois would move forward to
> establish a state-federal partnership Health Exchange. CCHCC and other
> health care advocates had been organizing to pressure the Illinois General
> Assembly and Governor Quinn to instead establish a state-operated Health
> Exchange that would have allowed for an insurance marketplace that was
> customized to meet the specific needs of Illinoisans and would have been
> governed by Illinoisans.
>
> Frankly, we are disappointed that our state leadership did not rise to the
> challenge and take advantage of the opportunity to have a locally governed,
> pro-consumer Health Benefits Exchange that would have best met the needs of
> the residents of Illinois. Despite the claim by state officials that there
> was not enough time remaining to establish a state-operated exchange, we do
> believe that Illinois had sufficient time if the elected leadership had the
> political will.
>
> HOWEVER, having a state-federal partnership Exchange up and running in
> Illinois in 2014 is indeed a VICTORY for the residents of Illinois.
>
> Through the Exchange in 2014 alone:
> * 486,000 residents will enroll in private health insurance plans;
> * 500,000 residents will join the expanded Medicaid program (which the
> state would receive 100% federal matching reimbursement for those costs the
> first three years of the Exchange); And
> * 247,000 residents would qualify for federal subsidies for premiums and
> co-payments to help with insurance costs.
>
> (Source: Wakely Consulting Group, Health Management Association, Illinois
> Department of Healthcare and Family Services)
>
> Please read on for more information about State-Federal Partnership Health
> Exchanges. Also, please check out this article from The State-Journal
> Register regarding Governor Quinn's decision:
>
> http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x1798690424/State-to-work-with-feds-on-health-insurance-exchange
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> WHAT IS A STATE-FEDERAL PARTNERSHIP?
>
> In May 2012, the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
> announced a third Exchange model. States could apply for a state-operated
> Health Exchange, have a federally-facilitated Exchange, or now enter into a
> state-federal partnership for 2014 - the first year that the Exchange would
> be operational.
>
> The state-federal partnership Exchange is a mix of the first two options,
> where the responsibilities, control, and decision-making would be split
> between the state and federal government. In this model, HHS would be
> responsible for ensuring the Exchange meets all of the standards. HHS would
> run the online marketplace website. Illinois can decide to operate some of
> the plan management functions (health insurance plan selection and other
> details) and consumer assistance (in-person assistance and outreach).
>
> This state-federal partnership will give Illinois legislators an
> additional year to finalize a state-run Health Exchange to start in 2015.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> At this point in time, we are still gathering information on the final
> details of how state-federal Health Exchanges will operate and which
> components of the Exchange Illinois may seek to operate. We must remain
> vigilant as decisions may be made for the state-federal partnership that
> will lay the groundwork for the state-operated Exchange in 2015. We must
> continue to fight for a pro-consumer exchange that has consumer
> representation on the operating Board and prevents any sway from the
> insurance industries.
>
> Again, we want to thank all of you for taking action and fighting for the
> creation of the Illinois Health Benefits Exchange. CCHCC remains committed
> to a pro-consumer Exchange and we will be calling on you to help shape what
> our Exchange looks like in 2014 under the state-federal partnership and
> what it looks like in 2015 as a standalone Exchange.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Champaign County Health Care Consumers
>
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