[Peace-discuss] [Discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
David Johnson
dlj725 at hughes.net
Mon Jul 30 20:54:12 UTC 2012
Gill will be one of the few dems I will vote for in November ( the rest I will leave blank or vote third party ).
The reason I will vote for Gill is because of his position supporting expanding medicare for all and his changed and improved position against the continued occupation of Afganistan and his refusal to accept corporate money.
If the democratic party has any future it will need to have more candidates like David Gill.
I hope he doesn't flip flop once he is elected, I have had that happen all too often in the past.
David J.
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gill has been active in the single payer group for over 20 years, and it is one of his main goals in washington
On 7/30/2012 1:57 PM, pengdust at aol.com wrote:
I usually don't participate in thee online disputes BUT .... as a precarious worker I do have a few things to say:
Be wary of the "chipping away at the stone" strategy of placating some to generate division, complacency and submission. To avert an unavoidable critical mass. This is a tried and true partisan strategy [especicially in election year] to let some of the discontent subside, a pressure valve so to speak to protect "Business as usual."
I say: "Sure take it as a small gain.... BUT WE do not owe the bastards one damn thing in return! The response should be -- 'We beg for nothing! Because we demand everything!'"
I agree with Dave. This is a corporate/partisan shell-game in an election year, it's more about the "tactic of exclusion than inclusion." No better than Obama-Care Where the ONLY REAL debate was over "who to exclude, and how to protect/increase corporate profits." Single-payer was NEVER allowed to be spoken.
Maybe setting the bed on fire is a reaonable response to an abusive/brutal relationship?
That's it,
davep
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Sorry, but I have to say, with respect to my friend David who is a very
passionate and dedicated ad a tireless advocate, and I am glad we have him
around to speak up when he sees a wrong being committed, that these things below
are not mutually exclusive, and there is value to making the most of the current
situation - even though it is not what we wanted or what we need.
Medicare for All, single-payer, or a British-style National Health, or something
else national and universal and free, is clearly the solution to the problem of
healthcare for the poor and working classes in this very rich and very unequal
country. Obviously we do not have that. Clearly we should work for it. It
should be our stated and our actual goal. We should never let the rich or their
media or their politicians forget it. We should never say to Rush and others
who accuse of that goal, no, we just want some incremental change right now,
it's not a step toward 'socialized medicine.' We should say "It wish it were all
the things you say, because that's what we need in this country.'
We have devoted considerable effort to pushing for it already, but we have not
gotten it, not even close. (I say 'we', because I have always been fully
supportive and have done what I could, but many many others have given much more
time and money than I have to this cause. Some have dedicated their lives to
it, and among those are people who say this is the best we could get right now.)
That is largely because many of the people who supported these lesser plans to
not actually support what we are thinking of. Those people are not our friends.
But to refuse to work with them towards a winnable compromise when we have seen
how hard it is to get to our ultimate goal is to shoot ourselves - and the
working people who benefit from this law - in the foot, and in some cases in a
lot of other places, too.
It's foolhardy to pretend this law will fix all our problems. But it is way
off-base to say that the effort to make the most of the current laws/ options is
a distraction or a waste of time, any more than helping someone understand how
to fill out the forms to get health benefits at work - or ensuring that anyone
who is eligible for any benefit does get it - is a waste of time. It isn't. It
helps people. Obamacare helps people. Just not enough people. And not enough
help.
Is it a waste of time to fight for raises for one group of workers even though a
lot of others need a raise? Or because the wage system should be abolished?
Some have made that argument. Unfortunately, the just society we deserve
doesn't seem to be just around the corner. And in the meantime, I think if we
can get raises or health insurance for some people who need them, we take it and
move on, hopefully to more. Like a ratchet. Would it be better to approach
wages differently, too? In Sweden, for example, they negotiate on a national
level for the lowest wages in the country, and that way nobody drops below that.
I would like to see that here. It just doesn't seem in the offing.
Hopefully we will be able to eventually build a national movement, and
international movement even, that can accomplish these things. But we have no
such movement now.
I can understand criticizing Gingrich-care or Clinton-care or Romney-care in
Massachusetts or Obamacare when they were proposed, saying what we need is
single-payer, etc. I did that, too. Trumka and others did, too. When the
window is open, we try for everything we can get, right? I can understand
pointing out the shortcomings of Obamacare now. CCHCC and others have done so.
We need to get people thinking about what we still need to do. But it is not "a
waste of time" to ensure that people get the most out of it, especially people
who have very little alternative.
I don't expect everyone to agree, but I think CCHCC's work on this is very
important and we should all support it in any way we can.
Solidarity,
Ricky
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From: CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com [CentralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Johnson [dlj725 at hughes.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:24 PM
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Subject: Fw: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: [OccupyCU] Fwd: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces
State-Federal Partnership Health Exchange
Correction !
EVERYBODY IN, NOBODY OUT !
Healthcare for all NOW !
No Phoney corporate propoganda substitutes that distract and divide us and
strengthen the private health insurance corporate special interests.
The ONLY sollution is Medicare for all,
like EVERY industrialized country in the world EXCEPT the U.S., and even some
third world countries have the equivalent of Medicare for all.
WE need to focus on how we begin to force the corporate powers that be,
republican and DEMOCRAT, to begin implementing the ONLY SOLLUTION to our
healthcare crisis, that is, single payer ( Medicare for ALL ) healthcare.
David J.
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Sure Astrid,
Let me rephrase this.
Do WE want REAL results, that is, health care for ALL, nobody in and nobody out
?
OR
Will we allow ourselves to be distracted and divided by the corporate interests
to accept their corporate sollution via the Democratic National Committee ( DNC
) ?
David J.
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it is nice to demand, but not often effective. we need to get as much as we can
because the more we get now the more we can get later
On 7/29/2012 4:23 PM, David Johnson wrote:
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This is a Waste of time and a distraction of what needs to be done !
WE Need to demand a single payer healthcare system in the state of Illinois like
Vermont has done !
David Johnson
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:59:39 AM
Subject: [cchcc-l] Gov. Quinn Announces State-Federal Partnership Health
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Dear Friends,
On behalf of Champaign County Health Care Consumers (CCHCC), we would like
thank everyone who signed the petition calling on Illinois' Governor Quinn
to establish the Health Exchange, whether online, in our office, at the
Urbana Farmer's Market, or at one of our Task Force meetings.
Last week Governor Quinn announced that Illinois would move forward to
establish a state-federal partnership Health Exchange. CCHCC and other
health care advocates had been organizing to pressure the Illinois General
Assembly and Governor Quinn to instead establish a state-operated Health
Exchange that would have allowed for an insurance marketplace that was
customized to meet the specific needs of Illinoisans and would have been
governed by Illinoisans.
Frankly, we are disappointed that our state leadership did not rise to the
challenge and take advantage of the opportunity to have a locally governed,
pro-consumer Health Benefits Exchange that would have best met the needs of
the residents of Illinois. Despite the claim by state officials that there
was not enough time remaining to establish a state-operated exchange, we do
believe that Illinois had sufficient time if the elected leadership had the
political will.
HOWEVER, having a state-federal partnership Exchange up and running in
Illinois in 2014 is indeed a VICTORY for the residents of Illinois.
Through the Exchange in 2014 alone:
* 486,000 residents will enroll in private health insurance plans;
* 500,000 residents will join the expanded Medicaid program (which the
state would receive 100% federal matching reimbursement for those costs the
first three years of the Exchange); And
* 247,000 residents would qualify for federal subsidies for premiums and
co-payments to help with insurance costs.
(Source: Wakely Consulting Group, Health Management Association, Illinois
Department of Healthcare and Family Services)
Please read on for more information about State-Federal Partnership Health
Exchanges. Also, please check out this article from The State-Journal
Register regarding Governor Quinn's decision:
http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x1798690424/State-to-work-with-feds-on-health-insurance-exchange
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
WHAT IS A STATE-FEDERAL PARTNERSHIP?
In May 2012, the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
announced a third Exchange model. States could apply for a state-operated
Health Exchange, have a federally-facilitated Exchange, or now enter into a
state-federal partnership for 2014 - the first year that the Exchange would
be operational.
The state-federal partnership Exchange is a mix of the first two options,
where the responsibilities, control, and decision-making would be split
between the state and federal government. In this model, HHS would be
responsible for ensuring the Exchange meets all of the standards. HHS would
run the online marketplace website. Illinois can decide to operate some of
the plan management functions (health insurance plan selection and other
details) and consumer assistance (in-person assistance and outreach).
This state-federal partnership will give Illinois legislators an
additional year to finalize a state-run Health Exchange to start in 2015.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
At this point in time, we are still gathering information on the final
details of how state-federal Health Exchanges will operate and which
components of the Exchange Illinois may seek to operate. We must remain
vigilant as decisions may be made for the state-federal partnership that
will lay the groundwork for the state-operated Exchange in 2015. We must
continue to fight for a pro-consumer exchange that has consumer
representation on the operating Board and prevents any sway from the
insurance industries.
Again, we want to thank all of you for taking action and fighting for the
creation of the Illinois Health Benefits Exchange. CCHCC remains committed
to a pro-consumer Exchange and we will be calling on you to help shape what
our Exchange looks like in 2014 under the state-federal partnership and
what it looks like in 2015 as a standalone Exchange.
Sincerely,
Champaign County Health Care Consumers
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