[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat withIllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch andtellher what information you want from us so you can beaninformed voter. Today at noon online
David Johnson
dlj725 at hughes.net
Sun Jun 3 04:19:32 UTC 2012
Your throwing away your vote by voting for Barack O'Romney.
BOTH are the corporate selected candidates.
If you vote for either Obama or Romney, you are perpetuating the corporate system and shit will ONLY get worse.
Vote for ONLY those candidates that take NO corporate money !
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; Rohn Koester
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat withIllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch andtellher what information you want from us so you can beaninformed voter. Today at noon online
Federal elections don't have a moral dimension??? So y're fine w/ Bush----> Roberts and Alito-----> Citizens United?!?!? And watch what comes next, if Romeny wins, and Obama doesn't get to name Ginsburg's replacement (not that an even more Republicanized group of lawmakers would okay his choice... running out the clock and rendering the appointment moot. If you think things are baaaaad under Obama (no argument there) they will be unimaginably awful under Romney. And btw, guys, yr choice is Obama or Romney. Don't throw away yr vote even if you live in blue Illinois, and especially don't if you live in a red or swing state!!
--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Rohn Koester <rohnkoester at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rohn Koester <rohnkoester at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 10:58 AM
Could someone explain their enthusiasm about voting for Nader in 2000? I voted for Nader, too, but I also accept that he had no hope of winning. The most I could say is that I helped to create a foundation of support that would make Nader (or some other non-sociopath) into a viable candidate in a future election -- but that didn't happened. So why the enthusiasm? When I accept that federal elections no longer have a moral dimension, then I don't use voter choice as a standard for moral arguments, not that it had much to recommend it under the best of circumstances. Can checking off boxes on a sheet of paper, along with millions of other people, be regarded as a moral act or even a sign of personal responsibility? Feels about as relevant as filling out a customer satisfaction survey.
This issue is important to me because it gets at something deeper: What moral acts can I engage in to diminish or end the war-life, which life seems to be the default political culture in the U.S. at this point? More specifically, how can I help to reduce the damage caused by the U.S. and its client states as we pass into the post-empire period of global relations? Simply helping to keep the idea in mind, such as by holding up a peace message during our street demos, is part of the answer. The peace message has been all but banished from public conversation, having been replaced by messages about ending the wars (because they aren't *effective*). Giving people an opportunity to affirm a message of peace feels like a symbolic gesture that still has consequence, if only because there are so few other opportunities for such affirmation.
What else? Engage my acquaintances in conversation, yes. Engage my reps in dialog, yes. Stay active in local debates that have impact on war-life issues (such as the jail expansion debate), yes. // And then? Adopt a vegan diet? Study and adopt non-violent communication? Engage in acts of nonviolent disobedience? Refuse to pay federal income tax? Become an international witness for peace? Take a vow of poverty? Become a Jainist? Individual responses to these questions seem substantial in a way that voting in federal elections never will be. And yet, what is the ratio of attention we give to them? Can local media like WILL bring balance to that ratio, or will it always be too much to ask? Can we imagine a media that would give proper perspective to a post-empire political culture?
(My response to the last question is practical and sort of boring: Do you know how "birders" have "life lists"? These are lists that birdwatchers keep of every bird they've ever seen. I'm not a birder, but I've known some. I think we need to generate life-lists for peace activists -- that is, a list of many ways that people can practice peace activism. The items on this list might be arranged in a sort of progression from simple to difficult, and the media that I have in mind would keep track of everyone's progress, highlighting certain of these activities along the way. For instance, I would like to hear Sam Yergler's story of engaging in civil disobedience during the NATO protests in Chicago. I want to hear Stuart Levy's story of giving shelter to homeless people. I want to hear Susan Parenti's story of post-9/11 peace organizing. I'm not sure we can count on local media to tell such stories, at least not with the detail they deserve. // Running for local office as a peace candidate should be on the peace activist life-list in my opinion, as should be campaigning on behalf of a local peace candidate. Voting for peace candidates? Sure.)
tl;dr: virtual voting realities risk producing virtual moralities; war-life media won't give us peace-life media; peace activists need to know each other and be known.
rk
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> The 'Saturday Night Live' skit from the 1970s is better-known now than what
> it was satirizing, the "Point-Counterpoint" segment of the CBS program '60
> Minutes.'
>
> Curtin portrayed the liberal (60-Minutes' Shana Alexander); Dan Aykroyd a
> right-winger (James J. Kilpatrick).
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:40 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>
>> the skit was a take on a popular talk show counterpoint
>> jane curtin would say something and dan akroyd would counter,
>> leading in with the line "Jane. You Ignorant Slut."
>>
>> She would then call him a Pompous Ass.
>>
>> It seemed a fitting descriptive. I thought everyone knew it.
>>
>>
>> On 6/1/2012 9:29 AM, David Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> O.K. Wayne,
>>>
>>> Your right !
>>>
>>> I didn't get it at first, and I did come across as a bit pompus initialy
>>> and then defensive because I was concerned about your use of the phrase ; "
>>> ignorant slut ".
>>> I am not familiar with the comedy routine your statement was taken from.
>>>
>>> David J.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
>>> To: Jenifer Cartwright
>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List ; David Johnson
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
>>> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
>>> information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon
>>> online
>>>
>>> David,
>>> If you are going to do Dan Akroyd imitations you really need to lighten
>>> up a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/31/12 10:16, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, it's the only part of Wayne's post that I actually
>>>> liked!!
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 5/30/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
>>>> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
>>>> information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon
>>>> online
>>>> To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "E. Wayne
>>>> Johnson" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 8:17 PM
>>>>
>>>> Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> I know you are joking, but I do not appreciate, and I am certain Jenifer
>>>> doesn't either, your last comment at the bottom.
>>>>
>>>> David J.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>>> To: "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net>; "Carl Estabrook"
>>>> <cge at shout.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
>>>> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
>>>> information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon
>>>> online
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > I am reminded of saturday nite live...
>>>> >
>>>> > roflmfao!
>>>> >
>>>> > David, you pompous ass.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5/31/2012 7:58 AM, David Johnson wrote:
>>>> >> *Jenifer,*
>>>> >> **
>>>> >> *With all due respect, you are horribly misinformed.*
>>>> > [...you Ignorant Slut.]
>>>>
>>>>
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