[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat withIllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch andtellher what information you want from us so you can beaninformed voter. Today at noon online
Jenifer Cartwright
jencart13 at yahoo.com
Sun Jun 3 18:46:41 UTC 2012
Do the math, dude. A vote for a thrid party candidate is a vote for Romney, esp if y're living in a red or swing state... and WI, IN, and MO are close enuff to err or the side of caution re any kind of protest vote. There are better, safer ways to work for change.
--- On Sat, 6/2/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat withIllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch andtellher what information you want from us so you can beaninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, June 2, 2012, 11:19 PM
Your throwing away your vote by voting for Barack
O'Romney.
BOTH are the corporate selected
candidates.
If you vote for either Obama or Romney, you are
perpetuating the corporate system and shit will ONLY get
worse.
Vote for ONLY those candidates that take NO
corporate money !
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jenifer
Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; Rohn
Koester
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:18
PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment
to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat withIllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over
lunch andtellher what information you want from us so you can beaninformed
voter. Today at noon online
Federal elections don't have a moral dimension??? So y're
fine w/ Bush----> Roberts and Alito-----> Citizens United?!?!? And
watch what comes next, if Romeny wins, and Obama doesn't get to name
Ginsburg's replacement (not that an even more Republicanized group of
lawmakers would okay his choice... running out the clock and rendering
the appointment moot. If you think things are baaaaad under Obama (no
argument there) they will be unimaginably awful under Romney. And
btw, guys, yr choice is Obama or Romney. Don't throw away yr vote even
if you live in blue Illinois, and especially don't if you live in a red
or swing state!!
--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Rohn Koester
<rohnkoester at gmail.com> wrote:
From:
Rohn Koester <rohnkoester at gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic
Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at
noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, June 1,
2012, 10:58 AM
Could someone explain their enthusiasm about
voting for Nader in 2000? I voted for Nader, too, but I also accept
that he had no hope of winning. The most I could say is that I helped
to create a foundation of support that would make Nader (or some other
non-sociopath) into a viable candidate in a future election -- but
that didn't happened. So why the enthusiasm? When I accept that
federal elections no longer have a moral dimension, then I don't use
voter choice as a standard for moral arguments, not that it had much
to recommend it under the best of circumstances. Can checking off
boxes on a sheet of paper, along with millions of other people, be
regarded as a moral act or even a sign of personal responsibility?
Feels about as relevant as filling out a customer satisfaction
survey.
This issue is important to me because it gets at
something deeper: What moral acts can I engage in to diminish or end
the war-life, which life seems to be the default political culture in
the U.S. at this point? More specifically, how can I help to reduce
the damage caused by the U.S. and its client states as we pass into
the post-empire period of global relations? Simply helping to keep the
idea in mind, such as by holding up a peace message during our street
demos, is part of the answer. The peace message has been all but
banished from public conversation, having been replaced by messages
about ending the wars (because they aren't *effective*). Giving people
an opportunity to affirm a message of peace feels like a symbolic
gesture that still has consequence, if only because there are so few
other opportunities for such affirmation.
What else? Engage my
acquaintances in conversation, yes. Engage my reps in dialog,
yes. Stay active in local debates that have impact on war-life issues
(such as the jail expansion debate), yes. // And then? Adopt a vegan
diet? Study and adopt non-violent communication? Engage in acts of
nonviolent disobedience? Refuse to pay federal income
tax? Become an international witness for peace? Take a vow
of poverty? Become a Jainist? Individual responses to these
questions seem substantial in a way that voting in federal elections
never will be. And yet, what is the ratio of attention we give to
them? Can local media like WILL bring balance to that ratio, or will
it always be too much to ask? Can we imagine a media that would give
proper perspective to a post-empire political culture?
(My response to the last question is practical and sort of
boring: Do you know how "birders" have "life lists"? These are lists
that birdwatchers keep of every bird they've ever seen. I'm not a
birder, but I've known some. I think we need to generate life-lists
for peace activists -- that is, a list of many ways that people can
practice peace activism. The items on this list might be arranged in a
sort of progression from simple to difficult, and the media that I
have in mind would keep track of everyone's progress, highlighting
certain of these activities along the way. For instance, I would like
to hear Sam Yergler's story of engaging in civil disobedience during
the NATO protests in Chicago. I want to hear Stuart Levy's story of
giving shelter to homeless people. I want to hear Susan Parenti's
story of post-9/11 peace organizing. I'm not sure we can count on
local media to tell such stories, at least not with the detail they
deserve. // Running for local office as a peace candidate should
be on the peace activist life-list in my opinion, as should be
campaigning on behalf of a local peace candidate. Voting for peace
candidates? Sure.)
tl;dr: virtual voting realities risk producing virtual
moralities; war-life media won't give us peace-life media; peace
activists need to know each other and be known.
rk
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
wrote:
> The 'Saturday Night Live' skit from the 1970s is
better-known now than what
> it was satirizing, the
"Point-Counterpoint" segment of the CBS program '60
>
Minutes.'
>
> Curtin portrayed the liberal (60-Minutes'
Shana Alexander); Dan Aykroyd a
> right-winger (James J.
Kilpatrick).
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:40
AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>
>> the skit was a take on
a popular talk show counterpoint
>> jane curtin would say
something and dan akroyd would counter,
>> leading in with
the line "Jane. You Ignorant Slut."
>>
>> She would
then call him a Pompous Ass.
>>
>> It seemed a
fitting descriptive. I thought everyone knew
it.
>>
>>
>> On 6/1/2012 9:29 AM, David
Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> O.K.
Wayne,
>>>
>>> Your right
!
>>>
>>> I didn't get it at first, and I did
come across as a bit pompus initialy
>>> and then
defensive because I was concerned about your use of the phrase ;
"
>>> ignorant slut ".
>>> I am not familiar
with the comedy routine your statement was taken
from.
>>>
>>> David
J.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original
Message -----
>>> From: "E. Wayne Johnson
朱稳森"
>>> To: Jenifer Cartwright
>>> Cc:
Peace-discuss List ; David Johnson
>>> Sent: Thursday, May
31, 2012 2:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my
comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
>>> IllinoisPublic
Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher
what
>>> information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon
>>>
online
>>>
>>> David,
>>> If you
are going to do Dan Akroyd imitations you really need to
lighten
>>> up a
bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/31/12
10:16, Jenifer Cartwright
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On
the contrary, it's the only part of Wayne's post that I
actually
>>>>
liked!!
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 5/30/12,
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: David Johnson
<dlj725 at hughes.net>
>>>>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat
with
>>>> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich
today over lunch and tellher what
>>>> information you
want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at
noon
>>>> online
>>>> To: "Peace-discuss
List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,
"E. Wayne
>>>> Johnson" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 8:17
PM
>>>>
>>>>
Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> I know you are joking,
but I do not appreciate, and I am certain Jenifer
>>>>
doesn't either, your last comment at the
bottom.
>>>>
>>>> David
J.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message
----- From: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>>>
To: "David Johnson" <dlj725 at hughes.net>; "Carl
Estabrook"
>>>> <cge at shout.net>
>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat
with
>>>> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich
today over lunch and tellher what
>>>> information you
want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at
noon
>>>>
online
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> I am reminded of saturday nite live...
>>>>
>
>>>> > roflmfao!
>>>>
>
>>>> > David, you pompous
ass.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5/31/2012
7:58 AM, David Johnson wrote:
>>>> >>
*Jenifer,*
>>>> >> **
>>>>
>> *With all due respect, you are horribly
misinformed.*
>>>> > [...you Ignorant
Slut.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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