[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Jenifer Cartwright
jencart13 at yahoo.com
Sun Jun 3 18:43:18 UTC 2012
Ya musta missed my many posts that said: my Real Choices for prez are Obama and Romney... and Romney is Lots Worse. Oh, and btw, you musta also missed my posts supporting Choice and Gay Marriage.
--- On Sat, 6/2/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Saturday, June 2, 2012, 11:22 PM
Yes, I have, so......
If you support all of the things I have seen you
post about, it makes absolutely NO sense why you are voting for Obama and the
rest of the corporate controlled dems.
They support NONE of the things I listed that you
support, and in fact are OPPOSED to ALL of the things I listed that you support
!
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jenifer
Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; David Johnson
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:22
PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment
to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over
lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed
voter. Today at noon online
Wow, you've been paying attn to- and remembering my
posts!!
--- On Thu, 5/31/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
wrote:
From:
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher
what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter.
Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright"
<jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 8:15
PM
What makes you think Gore would not have
attacked Iraq ?
Go look at the roll call vote of the dems who
supported the invasion.
If it wasn't Allito and Roberts appointed, it
would have been some other corporate hacks who would have been equally
as bad.
But Jenifer,
Let's stop for a moment and look at this current
situation we are in logically based on the facts.
From what I have seen from your postings, you
are ;
1) A supporter of Bradley Manning and Julian
Assagne
2) You are opposed to the drone wars and
extrajudicial murders
3) You are a retired Union Public School Teacher
who believs in a strong Public Education system and decent Union
salaries and benefits for current Teachers and the School Support
Staff.
4) You believe in Universal Health Care for
all
5) You are in favor of free or at the very least
cheap Higher Education.
6) You support Social Security
7) You are opposed to the continued occupations
of Iraq and Afganistan.
Am I wrong on any of these assumptions
?
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: David Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012
12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my
comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from
us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
So.... Gore would have attacked Iraq... and
then appointed Roberts and Alito??
--- On Wed,
5/30/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
wrote:
From:
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch
and tellher what information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Jenifer
Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday,
May 30, 2012, 10:40 PM
Wikipedia is NOT a reliable
source.
It is a series of postings by
various individuals and unless it is challenged it stays
posted.
Read Greg Pallast's story
about the vote fraud in Florida.
Gore won Florida and the
Presidency.
But regardless, I still would
have voted for Nader, because Al Gore is the one
along with Clinton who brought us ;
NAFTA, the WTO treaty, GATT,
the elimination of the Glass Stiegel ( sp.) act, and the
begining of the loss of habeeous corpus rights in the
U.S..
Both Gore and Bush worked
for the same corporate masters, and there was no difference
between the two, as is there is no difference in the
policies between Obama and Bush.
My point is the same Jenifer,
it is NOT good democrats and bad republicans, it is the
corporate money that has bought both
parties.
It is we the people against
the corporate interests, regardless of what party label they
wear.
Until we stop voting for
candidates who take corporate money, NOTHING will change for
the better.
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jenifer
Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; David Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May
30, 2012 9:31 PM
Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch
and tellher what information you want from us so you can
be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
From Wikipedia:
"Many
Democrats blame third party candidate Ralph Nader,
claiming he split votes with
Gore. Nader received 97,000 votes in Florida (for
comparison, there were 111,251 overvotes).[64] Additionally,
Nader received 22,000 votes in New Hampshire, where
Bush beat Gore by 7,000 votes. Either state would
have won the election for
Gore."
The whole entry is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000
--- On Wed, 5/30/12, David Johnson
<dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From:
David Johnson
<dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat
with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich
today over lunch and tellher what information you
want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today
at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer
Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date:
Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:58 PM
Jenifer,
With all due
respect, you are horribly
misinformed.
Start with Greg
Pallast's reporting ( the freelance reporter who
broke the story and offered it to CBS and later
the rest of the corporate media and they refused
to cover it until Salon.com broke the story, then
they only covered it superficialy.
)
Then see www.blackboxvoting.org
Maybe some others on
the list can suggest some other
sources.
David
J.
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Jenifer Cartwright
To: David
Johnson
Sent:
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Uh... as I understand it, the FL
debacle wouldn't have made any difference if the
Nader folks had voted against
Bush.
--- On Tue, 5/29/12, David
Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
wrote:
From:
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To:
"Peace-discuss List"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,
"Jenifer Cartwright"
<jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday,
May 29, 2012, 9:16 PM
" Look what those Nader votes bro't:
"
Here we go
again,
You still don't get
it do you ?
It was NOT the
votes for Nader that brought Bush and Alito et
al,
But instead the
STOLEN 2000 election that your boy Al
Gore and the corporate democratic party did
NOTHING about !
No call for mass
protests and general strikes, which is what
happens in REAL democracies when an election is
stolen by fraud, but instead a half ass
court case that was not even appealed. And then
blame Nader. The easy way out and simaltaneously
a distraction. Brought to you by the corporate
controlled DNC ( Democratic National
Commitee ).
I am PROUD that I
voted for Nader and I REFUSE to buy into the two
party shellgame that you advocate.
I want REAL change,
not phoney rhetoric.
The last democratic
I voted for and SUPPORTED at the national
level was Dennis Kucinich, and look what the DNC
did to him in collusion with the
RNC.
Look where electing
Obama and for a while a dem controlled House and
Senate got us......
No where but WORSE
!
Remember Nancy
Pelosi on election night 2006 when word came on
the corporate media that the Dems had just taken
control of both the House and Senate
?
What were the first
words out of her mouth.....
" Impeachment is
off the table " !
Gee, kind of an odd
statement from a leader of the so called "
opposition " party. In most democracies in the
world, the head of a REAL opposition political
party would have called for the IMMEDIATE
formation of an impeachment hearing and the
begining of reversing specific
policies of the Bush crime
family.
But not from Nancy
and the dems, their main priority was to protect
one of their own ( the 1% ) even if he played on
the other team.
Four years after
electing Obama the same policies of the 1%
are being impemented that Obama
supports ; endless war, no public health
care, attacks upon the standard of living of
Working people, attempts to privatize social
security and medicare, and the list goes on and
on and on...!
There will NEVER be
change for the better in this country unless one
of three things happen :
1) Form a third
party across the country whose main
platform objective is to REFUSE ANY AND ALL
CORPORATE MONEY and start with local
elections, working up to state races and then on
to national races
2) Take over the
democratic party and run candidates in the
primaries who refuse to take CORPORATE
MONEY, against the corporate backed candidates
of the DNC and if they lose to the
corporate backed candidates, REFUSE to back
the corporate dem in the general
election.
None of this
" Oh but I must support the party's elected
candidate ".
3) Take over the
republican party and do the same thing as
above.
So keep voting for
those democrats and see where it gets us, more
of the SAME bullshit !
David
Johnson
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; Karen
Medina
Sent:
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Best is a relative term. Obama is
definitely the far lesser of two evils. Surely
you no NOT want Romney running things foreign
and domestic... naming the next Supreme Court
Justice(s)??? Look what those Nader votes bro't:
Geo Bush and Roberts and Alito. Nuff
said.
--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Karen
Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
wrote:
From:
Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with Illinois Public Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tell her what
information you want from us so you can be an
informed voter. Today at noon online
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Date:
Friday, May 25, 2012, 11:37 AM
There is no
"best" candidate to
find.
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