[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
David Johnson
dlj725 at hughes.net
Sun Jun 3 04:22:58 UTC 2012
Yes, I have, so......
If you support all of the things I have seen you post about, it makes absolutely NO sense why you are voting for Obama and the rest of the corporate controlled dems.
They support NONE of the things I listed that you support, and in fact are OPPOSED to ALL of the things I listed that you support !
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; David Johnson
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Wow, you've been paying attn to- and remembering my posts!!
--- On Thu, 5/31/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 8:15 PM
What makes you think Gore would not have attacked Iraq ?
Go look at the roll call vote of the dems who supported the invasion.
If it wasn't Allito and Roberts appointed, it would have been some other corporate hacks who would have been equally as bad.
But Jenifer,
Let's stop for a moment and look at this current situation we are in logically based on the facts.
From what I have seen from your postings, you are ;
1) A supporter of Bradley Manning and Julian Assagne
2) You are opposed to the drone wars and extrajudicial murders
3) You are a retired Union Public School Teacher who believs in a strong Public Education system and decent Union salaries and benefits for current Teachers and the School Support Staff.
4) You believe in Universal Health Care for all
5) You are in favor of free or at the very least cheap Higher Education.
6) You support Social Security
7) You are opposed to the continued occupations of Iraq and Afganistan.
Am I wrong on any of these assumptions ?
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: David Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
So.... Gore would have attacked Iraq... and then appointed Roberts and Alito??
--- On Wed, 5/30/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 10:40 PM
Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source.
It is a series of postings by various individuals and unless it is challenged it stays posted.
Read Greg Pallast's story about the vote fraud in Florida.
Gore won Florida and the Presidency.
But regardless, I still would have voted for Nader, because Al Gore is the one along with Clinton who brought us ;
NAFTA, the WTO treaty, GATT, the elimination of the Glass Stiegel ( sp.) act, and the begining of the loss of habeeous corpus rights in the U.S..
Both Gore and Bush worked for the same corporate masters, and there was no difference between the two, as is there is no difference in the policies between Obama and Bush.
My point is the same Jenifer, it is NOT good democrats and bad republicans, it is the corporate money that has bought both parties.
It is we the people against the corporate interests, regardless of what party label they wear.
Until we stop voting for candidates who take corporate money, NOTHING will change for the better.
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; David Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
From Wikipedia:
"Many Democrats blame third party candidate Ralph Nader, claiming he split votes with Gore. Nader received 97,000 votes in Florida (for comparison, there were 111,251 overvotes).[64] Additionally, Nader received 22,000 votes in New Hampshire, where Bush beat Gore by 7,000 votes. Either state would have won the election for Gore."
The whole entry is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000
--- On Wed, 5/30/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 6:58 PM
Jenifer,
With all due respect, you are horribly misinformed.
Start with Greg Pallast's reporting ( the freelance reporter who broke the story and offered it to CBS and later the rest of the corporate media and they refused to cover it until Salon.com broke the story, then they only covered it superficialy. )
Then see www.blackboxvoting.org
Maybe some others on the list can suggest some other sources.
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: David Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Uh... as I understand it, the FL debacle wouldn't have made any difference if the Nader folks had voted against Bush.
--- On Tue, 5/29/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:16 PM
" Look what those Nader votes bro't: "
Here we go again,
You still don't get it do you ?
It was NOT the votes for Nader that brought Bush and Alito et al,
But instead the STOLEN 2000 election that your boy Al Gore and the corporate democratic party did NOTHING about !
No call for mass protests and general strikes, which is what happens in REAL democracies when an election is stolen by fraud, but instead a half ass court case that was not even appealed. And then blame Nader. The easy way out and simaltaneously a distraction. Brought to you by the corporate controlled DNC ( Democratic National Commitee ).
I am PROUD that I voted for Nader and I REFUSE to buy into the two party shellgame that you advocate.
I want REAL change, not phoney rhetoric.
The last democratic I voted for and SUPPORTED at the national level was Dennis Kucinich, and look what the DNC did to him in collusion with the RNC.
Look where electing Obama and for a while a dem controlled House and Senate got us......
No where but WORSE !
Remember Nancy Pelosi on election night 2006 when word came on the corporate media that the Dems had just taken control of both the House and Senate ?
What were the first words out of her mouth.....
" Impeachment is off the table " !
Gee, kind of an odd statement from a leader of the so called " opposition " party. In most democracies in the world, the head of a REAL opposition political party would have called for the IMMEDIATE formation of an impeachment hearing and the begining of reversing specific policies of the Bush crime family.
But not from Nancy and the dems, their main priority was to protect one of their own ( the 1% ) even if he played on the other team.
Four years after electing Obama the same policies of the 1% are being impemented that Obama supports ; endless war, no public health care, attacks upon the standard of living of Working people, attempts to privatize social security and medicare, and the list goes on and on and on...!
There will NEVER be change for the better in this country unless one of three things happen :
1) Form a third party across the country whose main platform objective is to REFUSE ANY AND ALL CORPORATE MONEY and start with local elections, working up to state races and then on to national races
2) Take over the democratic party and run candidates in the primaries who refuse to take CORPORATE MONEY, against the corporate backed candidates of the DNC and if they lose to the corporate backed candidates, REFUSE to back the corporate dem in the general election.
None of this " Oh but I must support the party's elected candidate ".
3) Take over the republican party and do the same thing as above.
So keep voting for those democrats and see where it gets us, more of the SAME bullshit !
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; Karen Medina
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Best is a relative term. Obama is definitely the far lesser of two evils. Surely you no NOT want Romney running things foreign and domestic... naming the next Supreme Court Justice(s)??? Look what those Nader votes bro't: Geo Bush and Roberts and Alito. Nuff said.
--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with Illinois Public Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tell her what information you want from us so you can be an informed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 11:37 AM
There is no "best" candidate to find.
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