[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Jenifer Cartwright
jencart13 at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 2 18:22:20 UTC 2012
Wow, you've been paying attn to- and remembering my posts!!
--- On Thu, 5/31/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 8:15 PM
What makes you think Gore would not have attacked Iraq
?
Go look at the roll call vote of the dems who supported
the invasion.
If it wasn't Allito and Roberts appointed, it would have
been some other corporate hacks who would have been equally as bad.
But Jenifer,
Let's stop for a moment and look at this current situation
we are in logically based on the facts.
From what I have seen from your postings, you are
;
1) A supporter of Bradley Manning and Julian
Assagne
2) You are opposed to the drone wars and extrajudicial
murders
3) You are a retired Union Public School Teacher who
believs in a strong Public Education system and decent Union salaries and
benefits for current Teachers and the School Support Staff.
4) You believe in Universal Health Care for
all
5) You are in favor of free or at the very least cheap
Higher Education.
6) You support Social Security
7) You are opposed to the continued occupations of Iraq
and Afganistan.
Am I wrong on any of these assumptions ?
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jenifer
Cartwright
To: David Johnson
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:03
AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment
to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over
lunch and tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed
voter. Today at noon online
So.... Gore would have attacked Iraq... and then
appointed Roberts and Alito??
--- On Wed, 5/30/12, David
Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
wrote:
From:
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tellher
what information you want from us so you can be aninformed voter.
Today at noon online
To: "Jenifer Cartwright"
<jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2012, 10:40
PM
Wikipedia is NOT a reliable
source.
It is a series of postings by various
individuals and unless it is challenged it stays
posted.
Read Greg Pallast's story about the vote
fraud in Florida.
Gore won Florida and the
Presidency.
But regardless, I still would have voted
for Nader, because Al Gore is the one along with Clinton
who brought us ;
NAFTA, the WTO treaty, GATT, the
elimination of the Glass Stiegel ( sp.) act, and the begining of the
loss of habeeous corpus rights in the U.S..
Both Gore and Bush worked for the
same corporate masters, and there was no difference between the two,
as is there is no difference in the policies between Obama and
Bush.
My point is the same Jenifer, it is NOT
good democrats and bad republicans, it is the corporate money that has
bought both parties.
It is we the people against the
corporate interests, regardless of what party label they
wear.
Until we stop voting for candidates who
take corporate money, NOTHING will change for the
better.
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss
List ; David Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012
9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my
comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tellher what information you want from
us so you can be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
From Wikipedia:
"Many
Democrats blame third party candidate Ralph Nader,
claiming he split votes with
Gore. Nader received 97,000 votes in Florida (for comparison,
there were 111,251 overvotes).[64] Additionally,
Nader received 22,000 votes in New Hampshire, where Bush beat
Gore by 7,000 votes. Either state would have won the election
for Gore."
The whole entry is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000
--- On Wed, 5/30/12, David Johnson
<dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
From:
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch
and tellher what information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss
List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer
Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday,
May 30, 2012, 6:58 PM
Jenifer,
With all due respect, you are
horribly misinformed.
Start with Greg Pallast's
reporting ( the freelance reporter who broke the story and
offered it to CBS and later the rest of the corporate media
and they refused to cover it until Salon.com broke the
story, then they only covered it superficialy.
)
Then see www.blackboxvoting.org
Maybe some others on the list
can suggest some other sources.
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Jenifer
Cartwright
To: David Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May
30, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with
IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch
and tellher what information you want from us so you can
be aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Uh... as I understand it, the FL
debacle wouldn't have made any difference if the
Nader folks had voted against Bush.
---
On Tue, 5/29/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
wrote:
From:
David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich
today over lunch and tellher what information you
want from us so you can be aninformed voter. Today
at noon online
To: "Peace-discuss List"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Jenifer
Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date:
Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:16 PM
" Look what those Nader votes bro't: "
Here we go
again,
You still don't get
it do you ?
It was NOT the votes
for Nader that brought Bush and Alito et al,
But instead the
STOLEN 2000 election that your boy Al
Gore and the corporate democratic party did
NOTHING about !
No call for mass
protests and general strikes, which is what
happens in REAL democracies when an election is
stolen by fraud, but instead a half ass court
case that was not even appealed. And then blame
Nader. The easy way out and simaltaneously a
distraction. Brought to you by the corporate
controlled DNC ( Democratic National Commitee
).
I am PROUD that I
voted for Nader and I REFUSE to buy into the two
party shellgame that you advocate.
I want REAL change,
not phoney rhetoric.
The last democratic I
voted for and SUPPORTED at the national level
was Dennis Kucinich, and look what the DNC did to
him in collusion with the RNC.
Look where electing
Obama and for a while a dem controlled House and
Senate got us......
No where but WORSE
!
Remember Nancy Pelosi
on election night 2006 when word came on the
corporate media that the Dems had just taken
control of both the House and Senate
?
What were the first
words out of her mouth.....
" Impeachment is off
the table " !
Gee, kind of an odd
statement from a leader of the so called "
opposition " party. In most democracies in the
world, the head of a REAL opposition political
party would have called for the IMMEDIATE
formation of an impeachment hearing and the
begining of reversing specific policies
of the Bush crime family.
But not from Nancy
and the dems, their main priority was to protect
one of their own ( the 1% ) even if he played on
the other team.
Four years after
electing Obama the same policies of the 1%
are being impemented that Obama
supports ; endless war, no public health
care, attacks upon the standard of living of
Working people, attempts to privatize social
security and medicare, and the list goes on and on
and on...!
There will NEVER be
change for the better in this country unless one
of three things happen :
1) Form a third party
across the country whose main platform
objective is to REFUSE ANY AND ALL CORPORATE
MONEY and start with local elections, working
up to state races and then on to national
races
2) Take over the
democratic party and run candidates in the
primaries who refuse to take CORPORATE MONEY,
against the corporate backed candidates of the DNC
and if they lose to the corporate backed
candidates, REFUSE to back the corporate dem
in the general election.
None of this
" Oh but I must support the party's elected
candidate ".
3) Take over the
republican party and do the same thing as
above.
So keep voting for
those democrats and see where it gets us, more of
the SAME bullshit !
David
Johnson
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Jenifer Cartwright
To: Peace-discuss List ; Karen
Medina
Sent:
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tellher what
information you want from us so you can be
aninformed voter. Today at noon online
Best is a relative term. Obama is
definitely the far lesser of two evils. Surely
you no NOT want Romney running things foreign
and domestic... naming the next Supreme Court
Justice(s)??? Look what those Nader votes bro't:
Geo Bush and Roberts and Alito. Nuff
said.
--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Karen
Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
wrote:
From:
Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
Subject:
Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd:
Chat with Illinois Public Media's Kimberlie
Kranich today over lunch and tell her what
information you want from us so you can be an
informed voter. Today at noon online
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Date:
Friday, May 25, 2012, 11:37 AM
There is no
"best" candidate to
find.
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