[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Ron Paul, Electoral Politics, and the Workers' Movement

Fri Mar 2 21:40:56 CST 2012

No, he didn't.

"...Texas Rep. Ron Paul wouldn’t say who his favorite judge is,  
saying, 'No, I’m not going to — all of them are good and all of  
them are bad.'"

<http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/15/gop-candidates-pick-their-favorite-supreme-court-justices/#ixzz1o1OUjxKZ 
 >

On Mar 2, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:

> Back to the 21st Century: When asked to name their fave Supremes,  
> the Repubs running for prez -- incldg Ron Paul -- named Roberts and  
> Alito.
>
> --- On Tue, 1/24/12, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>
> From: "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Ron Paul, Electoral Politics,  
> and the Workers' Movement
> To: "Brussel Morton K." <mkb3 at mac.com>
> Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>, "sf-core" <sf-core at yahoogroups.com 
> >, "Peace Discuss" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:55 PM
>
> I finally got around to listening to it.
>
> Congrats to Dave Johnson for putting it together, and some
> kick-ass music too.
>
> Lots of misinformation generated by Mr. Reimann.  I am not sure why.
>
> Abortion seems to be the dividing issue for many.  The right of
> a woman to kill her baby.  It would make a lot more sense to just
> let the baby be born and see if she likes it or not, then let her  
> kill it
> if she wants.
>
> No more of this senseless bloodletting.
> Let's have a Reason to kill the child.
>
> Maybe if they dont reach a certain standard by
> the age of 12... Zap 'em.
>
> I am convinced that the reason that abortion is so popular in the USA
> is that it pre-emptively removes undesirables from the population.
> Human Weeds they call 'em.  Abortion is racism.
> Racism at its most deprived manifestation.
>
> Abortion is Power.  War is Power.
> Authoritarian government feeds on Power.
> Americans like a powerful government.
>
>
> Points of misinfo:
> 1.  Ron Paul would favour corporations over people.  There is  
> nothing in his
> expressed policy that would suggest that.
>
> 2.  In no case did Paul ever suggest letting people die if they have  
> no access to health care.
>
> 3.  Libertarian ideas are actually anti-pollution, because pollution  
> harms one's neighbor, and you
> can't do that.
>
> 4.  Reimann takes the matter of Anthropogenic Global Warming to a  
> ridiculous extreme.
> Certainly some of us are not convinced at all about it.  I am one of  
> those.
> Although I dont agree with Chomsky about the danger of AGW, I do  
> like many of
> Chomsky's other ideas.
>
> 5.  Ending the Fed or Auditing the Fed will empower private  
> banksters and cause
> massive deflation.  As if the banksters are not empowered now?  Carl  
> provided
> a great response on this one.
>
> I debated with Reimann too at one time.  He and I can agree on how  
> messed up things are.
> I think he can be so interested in having a contrary opinion that he  
> forgets about
> working together with others to change the world.  He's pretty hung  
> up on Hoover
> for Hoover to be so long dead.
>
> I kinda doubt that Hoover had much to do with the outcomes.
>
> *
>
> The major point that I want to make is that the current situation in  
> the US is unsustainable,
> and there is a very hard rain about to fall.
> Call it Karma if you like.
> Sowing and Reaping is about the same thing.
>
> O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be,
> that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
> Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth
> thy little ones against the stones.
>
> There might still be time to stop and apologize.
>
> It looks much to me like the situation of Judah before the captivity.
> The leaders got worse and worse and worse.
> It was a slow downward grind before the final collapses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/24/12 8:59, Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>
>> Most of us already know that Ron Paul is a reactionary on economic  
>> policies, essentially isolationist in foreign policy (although I'm  
>> not sure about how he would treat oil and resource extraction  
>> corporations, e.g., how to protect them for our national interest),  
>> and a "libertarian" on certain civil rights, (excepting women's  
>> choice issues)—i.e., let anyone do mostly what they want,  
>> discriminate, carry guns wherever, get rid of public education, any  
>> social or health safety net,  ….  On the other hand, It might not  
>> be a bad idea to advertise/promote his anti-war foreign policy  
>> statements vis-a vis Obama and the other Repubs in the interest of  
>> popular education, but how could anyone with a humane social  
>> concern domestically ever vote for him? The havoc and misery his  
>> domestic policies would entail is inestimable. As Carl's opponent,  
>> John Reimann, in Dave Johnson's program noted, a dying off (call it  
>> murder?) of large segments of our populations could be expected in  
>> such an advent. Like in Russia after the USSR was dissolved. If you  
>> look at the details, it is simply crazy.
>>
>> My impressions from that fascinating program.
>>
>> --mkb
>>
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:50 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And here's an account of what John was upset about: <http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/matt-stoller-why-ron-paul-challenges-liberals.html
>>> >.
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Saturday 21 January, David Johnson, Bob Paleczny, Bill Gorrell,
>>> > and Tom Thomas hosted a debate - "Ron Paul, Electoral Politics,  
>>> and
>>> > the Workers' Movement" - between Carl Estabrook of News from  
>>> Neptune
>>> > and labor activist John Reimann on the Illinois World Labor Hour.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks to David who arranged it, and Bob, who made it available
>>> > online. The first hour of the show is at <http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/57180
>>> > > - the debate begins in the last third; the second hour,  
>>> containing
>>> > the majority of the debate, is at <http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/57182
>>> > >.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --CGE
>>> >
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