[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Ron Paul, Electoral Politics, and the Workers' Movement

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Fri Mar 2 21:44:45 CST 2012


Diana Ross is prob. my favourite among the Supremes.

I actually don't know the names of any of the others, though.


On 3/3/2012 11:29 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Back to the 21st Century: When asked to name their fave Supremes, the 
> Repubs running for prez -- incldg Ron Paul -- named Roberts and Alito.
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/24/12, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigs.ag>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Ron Paul, Electoral
>     Politics, and the Workers' Movement
>     To: "Brussel Morton K." <mkb3 at mac.com>
>     Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>, "sf-core"
>     <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>, "Peace Discuss"
>     <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 5:55 PM
>
>     I finally got around to listening to it.
>
>     Congrats to Dave Johnson for putting it together, and some
>     kick-ass music too.
>
>     Lots of misinformation generated by Mr. Reimann.  I am not sure why.
>
>     Abortion seems to be the dividing issue for many.  The right of
>     a woman to kill her baby.  It would make a lot more sense to just
>     let the baby be born and see if she likes it or not, then let her
>     kill it
>     if she wants.
>
>     No more of this senseless bloodletting.
>     Let's have a Reason to kill the child.
>
>     Maybe if they dont reach a certain standard by
>     the age of 12... Zap 'em.
>
>     I am convinced that the reason that abortion is so popular in the USA
>     is that it pre-emptively removes undesirables from the population.
>     Human Weeds they call 'em.  Abortion is racism.
>     Racism at its most deprived manifestation.
>
>     Abortion is Power.  War is Power.
>     Authoritarian government feeds on Power.
>     Americans like a powerful government.
>
>
>     Points of misinfo:
>     1.  Ron Paul would favour corporations over people.  There is
>     nothing in his
>     expressed policy that would suggest that.
>
>     2.  In no case did Paul ever suggest letting people die if they
>     have no access to health care.
>
>     3.  Libertarian ideas are actually anti-pollution, because
>     pollution harms one's neighbor, and you
>     can't do that.
>
>     4.  Reimann takes the matter of Anthropogenic Global Warming to a
>     ridiculous extreme.
>     Certainly some of us are not convinced at all about it.  I am one
>     of those.
>     Although I dont agree with Chomsky about the danger of AGW, I do
>     like many of
>     Chomsky's other ideas.
>
>     5.  Ending the Fed or Auditing the Fed will empower private
>     banksters and cause
>     massive deflation.  As if the banksters are not empowered now? 
>     Carl provided
>     a great response on this one.
>
>     I debated with Reimann too at one time.  He and I can agree on how
>     messed up things are.
>     I think he can be so interested in having a contrary opinion that
>     he forgets about
>     working together with others to change the world.  He's pretty
>     hung up on Hoover
>     for Hoover to be so long dead.
>
>     I kinda doubt that Hoover had much to do with the outcomes.
>
>     *
>
>     The major point that I want to make is that the current situation
>     in the US is unsustainable,
>     and there is a very hard rain about to fall.
>     Call it Karma if you like.
>     Sowing and Reaping is about the same thing.
>
>     O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be,
>     that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
>     Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth
>     thy little ones against the stones.
>
>     There might still be time to stop and apologize.
>
>     It looks much to me like the situation of Judah before the captivity.
>     The leaders got worse and worse and worse.
>     It was a slow downward grind before the final collapses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 01/24/12 8:59, Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>>     Most of us already know that Ron Paul is a reactionary on
>>     economic policies, essentially isolationist in foreign policy
>>     (although I'm not sure about how he would treat oil and resource
>>     extraction corporations, e.g., how to protect them for our
>>     national interest), and a "libertarian" on certain civil rights,
>>     (excepting women's choice issues)—i.e., let anyone do mostly what
>>     they want, discriminate, carry guns wherever, get rid of public
>>     education, any social or health safety net,  ….  On the other
>>     hand, It might not be a bad idea to advertise/promote his
>>     anti-war foreign policy statements vis-a vis Obama and the other
>>     Repubs in the interest of popular education, but how could anyone
>>     with a humane social concern domestically ever vote for him? The
>>     havoc and misery his domestic policies would entail is
>>     inestimable. As Carl's opponent, John Reimann, in Dave Johnson's
>>     program noted, a dying off (call it murder?) of large segments of
>>     our populations could be expected in such an advent. Like in
>>     Russia after the USSR was dissolved. If you look at the details,
>>     it is simply crazy.
>>
>>     My impressions from that fascinating program.
>>
>>     --mkb
>>
>>
>>     On Jan 23, 2012, at 5:50 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>>     And here's an account of what John was upset about:
>>>     <http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/matt-stoller-why-ron-paul-challenges-liberals.html
>>>
>>>     >.
>>>
>>>     On Jan 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, C. G. ESTABROOK wrote:
>>>
>>>     >
>>>     > On Saturday 21 January, David Johnson, Bob Paleczny, Bill
>>>     Gorrell,
>>>     > and Tom Thomas hosted a debate - "Ron Paul, Electoral
>>>     Politics, and
>>>     > the Workers' Movement" - between Carl Estabrook of News from
>>>     Neptune
>>>     > and labor activist John Reimann on the Illinois World Labor Hour.
>>>     >
>>>     > Thanks to David who arranged it, and Bob, who made it available
>>>     > online. The first hour of the show is at
>>>     <http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/57180
>>>     > > - the debate begins in the last third; the second hour,
>>>     containing
>>>     > the majority of the debate, is at
>>>     <http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/57182
>>>     > >.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > --CGE
>>>     >
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