[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: ITS A FRESH WIND THAT BLOWS AGAINST THE EMPIRE

[C. G. Estabrook]

Johnson has said that he was wrong to vote for the invasion of Iraq.  
And he now votes consistently against any appropriations for war in  
the Mideast. (And he's taken other actions consistent with that  
position, such as joining the lawsuit against Obama's illegal assault  
on Libya.)

Gill so far as I know has not said he was wrong to have supported the  
occupation of Afghanistan (as outlined by Conservative MP Rory  
Stewart). And he defended the initial assault on AfPak in last night's  
debate (as did his Democratic opponent).  He also praised Obama's Iran  
policy!

I differ with a lot of Johnson's politics - as I said when I ran  
against him as a Green a decade ago. But he's a sure vote against the  
war, and we can't say that we'll let the government continue to kill  
people in Asia and Africa because we don't like some war opponents'  
views on the deficit.

Regards, CGE

On Mar 15, 2012, at 6:41 PM, lightport at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Actions speak louder than words.....Tim Johnson voted FOR the war in  
> Iraq under Bush.  The ONLY reason that he does not support it now is  
> b'c we have a democratic president!  I agree with you that wars  
> should be stopped, but let's not glorify a Congressman who has done  
> nothing for labor, nothing for women's right to choose, or LGBT  
> rights.  Tim Johnson does not represent MOST progressive causes.   
> Time for a change!
> David Gill is against all the wars!  I heard him say this at the  
> Dems dinner.  You need to check him out more carefully.
> -Germaine
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>
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> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:34:50
> To: <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Cc: Peace Discuss<Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; sf-core<sf-core at yahoogroups.com 
> >
> Subject: [sf-core] Re: [Peace-discuss] ITS A FRESH WIND THAT BLOWS  
> AGAINST THE EMPIRE
>
> The differences between (some) Republicans and (some) Democrats on war
> - or rather, on the Obama administration's killing spree in Asia and
> Africa - were on display at the University of Illinois last night.
>
> A local TV station presented a debate between two Democrats (Matt
> Goetten, David Gill) running for the local Congressional seat.
> Practically the only mention of the war - beyond the assertion by both
> that they supported the invasion of Afghanistan, and Gill's thanks to
> Goetten for his "service" in Afghanistan (as the late George Carlin
> put it, service is an odd word for killing people) -  came in their
> agreement that they supported the Obama administration's policy toward
> Iran (which includes threats contrary to the UN Charter), including
> its lie that Iran's ability to make a nuclear weapon constitutes a
> great danger - in a region where Israel has hundreds and the US has
> thousands of such weapons.
>
> Meanwhile, across town, a large rally heard Republican Rep. Ron Paul -
> endorsed by the current holder of the Congressional seat, Rep. Timothy
> Johnson - say that "he wants to end all foreign wars and bring all
> troops home."
>
> President Obama has killed people with drone attacks in six countries,
> illegally: Rep. Paul pointed out that the Constitution forbids such
> things without a Congressional declaration of war.  “We have a good
> Constitution,” he said. “We just need to use it every once in a  
> while.”
>
> --CGE
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:53 AM, <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>
>> finally...
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>> i was absent...
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