[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Gill finks on the war again. Vote Independent?

Sun Nov 4 00:55:03 UTC 2012

Calling and harassing Gill's office is a great idea but the
main thing that will be accomplished is venting one's own spleen.

Once he is in office he will do as he damn well pleases which
is to lick the boots of his Stupid Party masters.
(I notice that Raimondo is calling the GOP the Stupid Party but
I rather think that they are Evil.  Think Karl Rove, Cheney,
Bloody Bill Kristol, Mitt Zombie.  Evil.  Stupid, too, like a fox.)

That "Medicine to Clean Up Congress" is false advertising.

It's medicine to lull you all back to sleep. There's not even much
opium in it to give you a buzz and a good dream.  It's mostly
just cheap rotgut blended with that stuff that his office nurse
rubs on your gluteus maximus before she jabs you with a needle.

BOHICA!  Bend over.  Here it comes again.

If you can't definitely take away some thing that Gill needs,
and you can't definitely deliver something that he wants,
you have no power over him whatsoever.

After all, why should he pay any real attention to you?

All Dr. Gill needs to is to give you enough feel good medicine
and enough placebos and crap to discourage you sufficiently that
you will put your head down and go away.

On 11/04/12 8:14, David Johnson wrote:
> Ricky,
>
> This is very distrurbing info about Gill !
>
> This policy of unconditional support for any and all democratic party 
> candidates IS NOT WORKING !
>
> Bill Clinton did more damage to American Workers in his eight years in 
> office than 8-years of Ronald Reagan and  4-years of George Herbet 
> Walker Bush COMBINED !
>
> Lets take a deep breath and step back from ; emotion, tradition, and 
> fear for a moment and ask ourselves.....
> " Do we allow the corporate funded and controlled Democratic National 
> Committee ( DNC ) lead us around to their agenda OR......
> Do WE begin to DEMAND that they do our bidding ?
>
> This is what I propose.
>
> Who of you are willing to telephone the Gill HQ this week and state 
> your disapproval of his statement about supporting aggresion against 
> Iran and his obvious overall support of the continued policy of 
> corporate imperial aggression in the middle east that is draining our 
> economy dry ?
>
> Who will call besides me ?
>
> Will you call Ricky and tell Gill that if he wants our votes and 
> support that he had better stand firm against Durbin and DNC pressure 
> and oppose a failed policy that is draining our resources to war and 
> starving our public sector ?
>
> WIll you do it, or are you going to continue being controlled by the 
> corporate DNC and being their appologist ?
>
> David Johnson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricky Baldwin" <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
> Cc: "Corey Mattson" <coreymattson at gmail.com>; <aware at anti-war.net>; 
> "occupycu" <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Gill finks on the war again. Vote Independent?
>
>
> Throwing the baby out with the bath water.
>
> It took us years to get Johnson to that position.  He is not running.  
> Gill is a very good candidate who is anti-war and for 
> Medicare-for-all.  He also took exactly the right stance on the 
> regressive gasoline tax, which disproportionately impacts lower income 
> groups, while Hartman has taken the simplistic position that taxing 
> users will take oil companies down a notch.
>
> Gill's statement on Iran is wrong.  But in reality we are unlikely to 
> find positions as a whole from any candidate with a chance to win.  
> This vote is not symbolic.  A few votes may decide who goes to Congress.
>
> Gill is not the perfect, but neither was Carl when he ran against 
> Johnson. The rational vote was for Carl then, and it's for Gill now.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
>
> Corey Mattson of Bloomington-Normal Coalition for Peace and Justice 
> writes, "...no one in this congressional district race represents our 
> view of no military intervention, no sanctions against Iran ...Shows 
> work needs to be done! ...Peace movement work, that is...":
>
> "13th district congressional candidates agree on Iran" 
> <http://wglt.org/wireready/news/2012/11/08145_13thDebate2_061447.shtml>.
>
> Democrat David Gill shows once again that if he is sent to Congress 
> from our district, he will fail to uphold incumbent Tim Johnson's 
> opposition to the ongoing Mideast war.
>
> Although Johnson is a Republican, he voted for the impeachment of 
> President Bush for launching the Iraq war; joined other House members 
> (including Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul) in suing President Obama for 
> violating the War Powers Act; and voted consistently against more 
> money for war in the Mideast, after publicly regretting his votes in 
> 2001 and 2002 in favor of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. (He 
> had been urged to change his position by the local antiwar movement, 
> the Green party, etc.)
>
> Gill on the other hand has consistently avoided promising that he 
> would vote as Johnson has on the war, saying only that he was "against 
> the war." Now he does say clearly that he backs the administration's 
> war policy on Iran - which we recently heard enunciated by Senator 
> Durbin in Champaign, namely that Iran is building a nuclear weapon and 
> must be stopped, by military means if necessary. (Obama has been quite 
> consistent on the matter: when he was running for the Senate in 2004, 
> the Chicago Tribune wrote, "…the United States should not rule out 
> military strikes to destroy nuclear production sites in Iran, Obama 
> said … ‘having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear 
> weapons is worse [than] us launching some missile strikes into Iran…’ 
> he said.")
>
> In our Congressional district, Independent candidate John Hartman 
> "says even if Iran has the ability to launch a nuclear weapon, he 
> believes it would be a mistake to move forward at any time with 
> military action: 'I think that even bombing their nuclear capabilities 
> would be counterproductive. I think it would rile them against us, as 
> well as the Arab world against us.'
>
> This latest indication of Gill's unsoundness on the war - despite his 
> apparent support for Medicare for all - has led several of my 
> acquaintances to say that they will vote for Hartman, the independent, 
> in protest of the 'bipartisan' war policy. See Glenn Greenwald, "Obama 
> moves to make the War on Terror permanent" 
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/24/obama-terrorism-kill-list>. 
>
>
> --CGE
>
>
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