[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Gill finks on the war again. Vote Independent?

[Ricky Baldwin]

Whose unconditional support for any and all Democratic candidates were you thinking of, David?

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David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

Ricky,

This is very distrurbing info about Gill !

This policy of unconditional support for any and all democratic party
candidates IS NOT WORKING !

Bill Clinton did more damage to American Workers in his eight years in
office than 8-years of Ronald Reagan and  4-years of George Herbet Walker
Bush COMBINED !

Lets take a deep breath and step back from ; emotion, tradition, and fear
for a moment and ask ourselves.....
" Do we allow the corporate funded and controlled Democratic National
Committee ( DNC ) lead us around to their agenda OR......
Do WE begin to DEMAND that they do our bidding ?

This is what I propose.

Who of you are willing to telephone the Gill HQ this week and state your
disapproval of his statement about supporting aggresion against Iran and his
obvious overall support of the continued policy of corporate imperial
aggression in the middle east that is draining our economy dry ?

Who will call besides me ?

Will you call Ricky and tell Gill that if he wants our votes and support
that he had better stand firm against Durbin and DNC pressure and oppose a
failed policy that is draining our resources to war and starving our public
sector ?

WIll you do it, or are you going to continue being controlled by the
corporate DNC and being their appologist ?

David Johnson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky Baldwin" <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
Cc: "Corey Mattson" <coreymattson at gmail.com>; <aware at anti-war.net>;
"occupycu" <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Gill finks on the war again. Vote Independent?


Throwing the baby out with the bath water.

It took us years to get Johnson to that position.  He is not running.  Gill
is a very good candidate who is anti-war and for Medicare-for-all.  He also
took exactly the right stance on the regressive gasoline tax, which
disproportionately impacts lower income groups, while Hartman has taken the
simplistic position that taxing users will take oil companies down a notch.

Gill's statement on Iran is wrong.  But in reality we are unlikely to find
positions as a whole from any candidate with a chance to win.  This vote is
not symbolic.  A few votes may decide who goes to Congress.

Gill is not the perfect, but neither was Carl when he ran against Johnson.
The rational vote was for Carl then, and it's for Gill now.

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"C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:

Corey Mattson of Bloomington-Normal Coalition for Peace and Justice writes,
"...no one in this congressional district race represents our view of no
military intervention, no sanctions against Iran ...Shows work needs to be
done! ...Peace movement work, that is...":

"13th district congressional candidates agree on Iran"
<http://wglt.org/wireready/news/2012/11/08145_13thDebate2_061447.shtml>.

Democrat David Gill shows once again that if he is sent to Congress from our
district, he will fail to uphold incumbent Tim Johnson's opposition to the
ongoing Mideast war.

Although Johnson is a Republican, he voted for the impeachment of President
Bush for launching the Iraq war; joined other House members (including
Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul) in suing President Obama for violating the War
Powers Act; and voted consistently against more money for war in the
Mideast, after publicly regretting his votes in 2001 and 2002 in favor of
the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. (He had been urged to change his
position by the local antiwar movement, the Green party, etc.)

Gill on the other hand has consistently avoided promising that he would vote
as Johnson has on the war, saying only that he was "against the war." Now he
does say clearly that he backs the administration's war policy on Iran -
which we recently heard enunciated by Senator Durbin in Champaign, namely
that Iran is building a nuclear weapon and must be stopped, by military
means if necessary. (Obama has been quite consistent on the matter: when he
was running for the Senate in 2004, the Chicago Tribune wrote, "…the United
States should not rule out military strikes to destroy nuclear production
sites in Iran, Obama said … ‘having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession
of nuclear weapons is worse [than] us launching some missile strikes into
Iran…’ he said.")

In our Congressional district, Independent candidate John Hartman "says even
if Iran has the ability to launch a nuclear weapon, he believes it would be
a mistake to move forward at any time with military action: 'I think that
even bombing their nuclear capabilities would be counterproductive. I think
it would rile them against us, as well as the Arab world against us.'

This latest indication of Gill's unsoundness on the war - despite his
apparent support for Medicare for all - has led several of my acquaintances
to say that they will vote for Hartman, the independent, in protest of the
'bipartisan' war policy. See Glenn Greenwald, "Obama moves to make the War
on Terror permanent"
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/24/obama-terrorism-kill-list>.

--CGE


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