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Jenifer Cartwright jencart13 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 5 04:46:50 UTC 2012


Good one, Roger. Stick around!

--- On Sun, 11/4/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Roger Helbig" <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 4:30 PM



 
 



Obviously you are blind to the corporate 
manipulation !
 
But then again, should I expect any different from 
someone who has bought into the corporate military industrial complex 
propoganda ?
 
Why are you still on this list 
?
 
I thought you were going to do the honorable act 
of unsubscribing from this list ?
 
You do NOT live in Champaign-Urbana and never 
have, you are pro-war, pro-corporate, anti-Union, and 
anti-Occupy.
You do NOT share the values of this list so why do 
you not unsubscribe ?
 
David Johnson
 
 
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Roger Helbig 
  
  To: David Johnson 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no 
  subject)
  
hope you love Romney-Ryan as they go back to the Biblical 
  flood


  On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:55 AM, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

  
    
    On the contrary Jenifer 
!
     
    Myself and many others are voting for the ONLY 
    REAL opposition party on the ballot in the state of Illinois, in opposition 
    to the two corporate contolled parties.
     
    YOU and others like you are throwing your vote 
    away by voting for a corporate contolled boot licker who is a no different 
    than his so called opponent.
    Until you and others realize this and begin to 
    make changes within the democratic party, NOTHING will change for 
    the better and will only get worse. 
     
    Respectfully
     
    David Johnson
     
    
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      Original Message ----- 
      From: 
      Jenifer Cartwright 
      To: 
      David Johnson 
      Sent: 
      Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:34 PM
      Subject: 
      Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)
      

      
        
        
          Hey, it's yr vote, throw it away if that's how you 
            get yr kicks. Sad.

--- On Sat, 11/3/12, David Johnson 
            <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

            
From: 
              David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
Subject: 
              [Peace-discuss] (no subject)
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@mail0.frost.chambana.net
Date: 
              Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:59 PM


              
              
              
              
              " I would rather vote for something I want and not 
              get it, than to vote for something I did NOT want and end up 
              getting it. "
              Eugene Debs 
               
              On Tuesday I will be happily pulling the lever for 
              Jill Stein, the 
              Green Party candidate for president. The ONLY REAL opposition 
              party and opposition candidate against corporate rule on 
              the ballot in the state of Illinois !
              November 3, 
              2012
              
              25 reasons not to vote for Obama 
              Filed under: Green 
              Party,Obama,parliamentary 
              cretinism — louisproyect @ 11:03 pm 
              

              
              
              1. His key appointments indicated a tilt toward 
              Wall Street. Tim Geithner, his Secretary of the Treasury, was the 
              brains behind TARP–in other words “too big to fail”. As head of 
              the United States National Economic Council, Larry Summers pushed 
              for tax cuts rather than New Deal type spending on roads, bridges, 
              etc. Before becoming Attorney General, Eric Holder was at a 
              Washington law firm that represented a Who’s Who of big banks and 
              other companies at the center of alleged foreclosure fraud. That, 
              no doubt, is why a Justice Department panel investigating mortgage 
              security fraud is being starved for funds.
              2. Middle-class homeowners have suffered under the 
              Obama administration. On taking office, Obama promised that up to 
              9 million of them would be protected from foreclosure but only 2.3 
              million have gotten assistance. Moreover, the White House never 
              addressed the problem of plunging house prices that left owners 
              being both unable to stay and to leave.
              3. Despite their slavish support for Obama, trade 
              unions have been treated poorly. Obama promised that he would 
              fight for EFCA (Employee Free Choice Act), an act that would 
              expedite union certification. Once in office, it was relegated to 
              the back burner.  When Wisconsin governor Scott Walker went 
              on a union-busting rampage, Obama did nothing to back the protests 
              and limited his support for a Democrat in a recall election to a 
              tweet. When Chicago teachers went on strike against Mayor Rahm 
              Emanuel’s Scott Walker-like attack, Obama stood aloof. This was to 
              be expected, of course, since his Secretary of Education is a 
              proponent of charter schools.
              4. Despite foolish expectations that Obama would 
              be a new FDR, Obama has functioned more like Hoover on the jobs 
              creation front. There has been nothing like the WPA or the CCC, 
              despite an aging infrastructure. And despite all the hoopla over 
              the auto bailout, the net result has been a downsizing of the big 
              three auto companies, as well as a sharp cut in 
              benefits.
              5. Both Obama and Romney love free trade. 
              As liberal wonk Matt 
              Iglesias put it, “And what’s more, all 
              indications are that Barack Obama also doesn’t think Bain was 
              doing anything wrong. As president he’s made no moves to make it 
              illegal for companies to shift production work abroad and has 
              publicly associated himself with a wide range of American 
              firms—from GE to Apple and beyond—who’ve done just that to varying 
              extents. And we all remember what happened to Obama’s promise to 
              renegotiate NAFTA after taking office, right?”
              6. Obama done nothing to solve the problem of 
              greenhouse-gas related climate change, a point made by Al 
              Gore in a Rolling Stone 
              article. Despite the EPA’s requirement 
              that new (but not existing) coal-fueled plants cut their emissions 
              by half, there are signs that this will have little to do with 
              reducing greenhouse gases since coal is being replaced across the 
              board by the far cheaper natural gas.
              7. Natural gas extraction is being facilitated 
              through the use of hydrofracking, an environmentally devastating 
              practice that the Obama administration has accepted without 
              qualms. In his latest State of the Union speech, Obama’s 
              pro-natural gas stance earned the praise of the pro-hydrofracking 
              Independent Oil & Gas Association. His EPA chief Lisa Jackson 
              told a Senate Committee that she knew of no instances where 
              fracking affected water, a stance that endeared her to the 
              ultra-reactionary NY Post. Finally, he 
              gave TransCanada the OK to build the southern portion of its 
              Keystone XL tar sands pipeline in June of this year. By contrast, 
              Jill Stein was arrested when she was resupplying activists 
              blockading the pipeline.
              8. In the same month that he gave TransCanada the 
              green light, Obama permitted oil drilling in the Arctic. This 
              follows a decision in January to re-open 38 Million Acres in Gulf 
              of Mexico to offshore drilling. The fact that BP has given the 
              largest chunk of its $3.5 million campaign contributions to Obama 
              might well have something to do with this.
              9. Obama has supported the building of nuclear 
              power plants, even after Fukushima.
              10. In 2009 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack 
              gave his personal approval for a 381-acre clear-cut in Tongass 
              National Forest, America’s largest stand of temperate rain 
              forest.
              11. Last and far from least, Obama lifted the ban 
              on hunting gray wolves in eight northern states in 2011. Maybe he 
              and Sarah Palin can go shoot the beasts from a helicopter some 
              time next year in the spirit of collaboration between the two 
              parties. They can bring Chris Christie along, after making sure 
              that the helicopter can carry all that weight.
              12. Obama promised to close down Guantanamo but 
              the prison remained open even after he said in the ill-conceived 
              Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech: ” I believe the United States 
              of America must remain a standard bearer in the conduct of 
              war…That is why I ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay 
              closed.”
              13. When men imprisoned in Guantanamo demanded 
              that they be tried in a U.S. court, the case went all the way up 
              to the Supreme Court. On Obama’s urging, the court denied a 
              hearing, thus leading some to assert 
              that a president with a background in 
              constitutional law was gutting habeas corpus.
              14. Obama maintains a secret kill list that 
              included American citizens. This suspension of habeas corpus not 
              only led to the murder of Anwar al-Awlaki—an American—but his 16 
              year old son who was never charged with a crime. Robert Gibbs, 
              Obama’s former press secretary, defending the killing this way: “I 
              would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father 
              if they are truly concerned about the well being of their 
              children.
              15. Obama’s raid on Osama bin-Laden’s house was 
              essentially illegal. Amnesty International described it as an 
              extrajudicial execution.
              16. His use of drones has led to the deaths of 
              many noncombatants, including a number that have been covered 
              up. The criterion used by the White House 
              is that any military aged male within the target range is fair 
              game. If this is not the policy of a war criminal, then I do not 
              know what is.
              17. Many of Obama’s policies are shrouded in 
              secrecy. When the White House leaked word 
              about its kill list—intended to burnish its reputation as tough on 
              terror—nothing happened. But when people like Bradley Manning 
              reveal the machinations that lead to war, he is put in solitary 
              confinement and faced with a lengthy prison term.
              18. Despite the hostility of Netanyahu, Israel 
              continues to get carte blanche from the administration. When 
              Americans consider the possibility of joining a flotilla to bring 
              humanitarian aid to Gaza, they have to worry about the threats of 
              fines and imprisonment brandished by Hillary 
              Clinton. Despite toothless remonstrations 
              to Israel about West Bank settlements, the U.S. voted against a U.N. 
              resolution that described them as illegal. 
              Finally, despite American nervousness about an armed attack on 
              Iran, the U.S. continues to back crippling sanctions all in the 
              name of reducing the threat to Israel, a country that flouts 
              international treaties against its own stockpile of nuclear 
              weapons.
              19. Against all evidence that its occupation of 
              Afghanistan has been a disaster to the Afghan people and to the 
              soldiers serving there, Obama pledges to “finish the job” in 
              Nixonian terms. Sticking to a 2014 deadline for withdrawal, he 
              will likely step up the use of drones as he begins to wind down 
              troop deployments. 42 states and the District of Columbia are 
              facing serious budget shortfalls this year. Spending for the 
              Afghanistan war would more than make up for the 
              shortfalls.  As is always the case, 
              it is guns trump butter.
              20. Despite all the hype about the breakthrough of 
              having the first African-American president, there are signs that 
              Obama has largely ignored the suffering of Black America. In a 
              very important article that appeared in the October 
              28th New York Times, Columbia University’s 
              director of Black studies wrote: “Whether 
              it ends in 2013 or 2017, the Obama presidency has already marked 
              the decline, rather than the pinnacle, of a political vision 
              centered on challenging racial inequality.” Among the findings in 
              this article: 28 percent of African-Americans, and 37 percent of 
              black children, are poor (compared with 10 percent of whites and 
              13 percent of white children); 13 percent of blacks are unemployed 
              (compared with 7 percent of whites); more than 900,000 black men 
              are in prison; blacks experienced a sharper drop in income since 
              2007 than any other racial group; black household wealth, which 
              had been disproportionately concentrated in housing, has hit its 
              lowest level in decades; blacks accounted, in 2009, for 44 percent 
              of new H.I.V. infections.
              21. Obama has deported twice the number of 
              undocumented workers per annum than Bush. 
              59 percent of Latinos disapprove of his policies but face the 
              quandary of voting for Romney, who complains that Obama is not 
              deporting enough.
              22. Obamacare has effectively preempted the only 
              health care option that made sense, namely a single-payer plan 
              that would effectively extended Medicare (but a much improved on) 
              to all. As Obama has said on countless occasions, this is the same 
              plan that Romney pushed through when he was governor of 
              Massachusetts. It is also the same plan that American Enterprise 
              Institute scholar J.D. Kleinke defended in a September 29, 2012 
              NYT op-ed piece titled “The Conservative Case for Obamacare”: The 
              rationalization and extension of the current market is financed by 
              the other linchpin of the law: the mandate that we all carry 
              health insurance, an idea forged not by liberal social engineers at the Brookings 
              Institution but by conservative economists at the Heritage 
              Foundation. The individual mandate recognizes that millions of 
              Americans who could buy health insurance choose not to, because it 
              requires trading away today’s wants for tomorrow’s needs. The 
              mandate is about personal responsibility — a hallmark of 
              conservative thought.”
              23. Obama set up something called National 
              Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform that was co-chaired 
              by a couple of fiscal hawks, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles. 
              There are fears that the policies favored by these two 
              reactionaries will be implemented as cuts in Social Security in 
              Obama’s second term. In his debate with Romney, Obama said, “I 
              suspect that on Social Security, we’ve got a somewhat similar 
              position. Social Security is structurally sound. It’s going to 
              have to be tweaked the way it was by Ronald Reagan and Speaker — 
              Democratic Speaker Tip O’Neill. But it is — the basic structure is 
              sound.” With the likely continuation of Bush tax cuts, there will 
              be pressure to cut the deficit. Between Social Security and tax 
              breaks for billionaires, guess which will be 
sacrificed.
              24. The White House has been a pillar of support 
              for charter schools. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan is one of 
              the country’s leading advocates for what amounts to the 
              privatization of public schools and the liquidation of the 
              teacher’s union, one of the few in the country that still has some 
              backbone. The irrepressible Diane 
              Ravitch described Duncan this way: “Duncan 
              cheered when the superintendent of the Central Falls, Rhode 
              Island, school district threatened to fire every teacher in the 
              town’s only high school; the Education Secretary memorably said 
              that Hurricane Katrina—which wiped out public schools and broke 
              the teachers’ union in New Orleans—was the best thing that ever 
              happened to the school system in that city. Teachers are 
              demoralized by such statements.”
              25. Finally, in the one bright spot in recent 
              American history of people challenging the status quo—namely the 
              Occupy movement—there is strong evidence that the White House 
              conspired with local authorities to crush it. David Lindorff 
              reported for 
              Counterpunch: “A new trove of heavily 
              redacted documents provided by the US Department of Homeland 
              Security (DHS) in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) 
              request filed by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) on 
              behalf of filmmaker Michael Moore and the National Lawyers Guild 
              makes it increasingly evident that there was and is a nationally 
              coordinated campaign to disrupt and crush the Occupy 
              Movement.”
              None of this should be interpreted, of course, as 
              a preference for Romney, which would be like recommending cyanide 
              instead of arsenic.
              On Tuesday I will be happily pulling the lever for 
              Jill Stein, the 
              Green Party candidate for 
              president.
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