[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer

[C. G. Estabrook]

I mean that voters can't escape some complicity with their candidates' actions.

On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:

> Actually, I think you're mixing up the candidate's excuses with the voter's thinking.  The two are not necessarily the same, which is in part the point.
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> Ricky 
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> From: C. G. Estabrook [carl at newsfromneptune.com]
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> You'd have to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child killer. ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done something bad to me...")
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> On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:
> 
>> I agree with this much:
>> 
>> "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
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>> The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an impression than abstention."
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>> But I think it's worth specifically pointing out that voting strategically or pragmatically (some might say "intelligently") does not somehow "corrupt" a person.  People may vote in relative ignorance or fear, and either of those things could have a negative impact on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness as a human being ad member of society, but of course neither one of those things is anything new in human history.  I also think the effect is pretty minor if we're talking about voting, as opposed to the things people may do out of fear and/or ignorance in many parts of the world and in history in order to survive, to get a job, to eat, to protect their families and communities, etc.
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>> --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I suppose the short-term effect is the same as the above, at least in the case of that presidential elections, which is the vote that has the least impact.
>> 
>> Ricky
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>> ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.
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>> In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
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>> The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an impression than abstention.
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