[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer

Mon Oct 29 23:17:20 UTC 2012

Now let me get this straight---

"I don't think I can justify any longer staying on a list that is 
dominated by trolling without anyone stepping in or moderating"
"I don't want to be a part of such a dis-organized space"

(which is clearly a call for the introduction of a legalistic 
authoritarian power structure)

yet...

"i want a way...to communicate with others who want to organize against...
f'ed up dynamics of power..."

it seems that the implied definition of "*f 'ed*" up  is that the wrong 
people are in charge,
an adjective modifying "dynamics".

*
"[Actually] what I want to do is find a bunch of guys who all dress 
alike and follow them around."
- Mudhead (from "Porgie and Mudhead in High School Madness")

On 10/30/12 6:05, Rachel Storm wrote:
> *I want off of this list*. If there is someone else organizing for 
> Occupy, I'd like to be a part of it. But these emails are atrocious 
> and they are the only ones coming from the list these days. I don't 
> think I can justify any longer staying on a list that is dominated by 
> trolling without anyone stepping in or moderating--"the world we want 
> is the world we need." I don't want to be a part of such a 
> dis-organized space and have remained here only because I want news 
> about Occupy, dialogue/imagination, and a way to communicate with 
> others who want to organize against capitalism and f'ed up dynamics of 
> power (racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, ableism, etc.) 
> Unfortunately, at this point, this list doesn't seem like a radical 
> space at all.
>
> * Can someone remove me?*
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook 
> <carl at newsfromneptune.com <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:
>
>     You'd have to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child
>     killer. ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done
>     something bad to me...")
>
>
>     On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org
>     <mailto:rbaldwin at seiu73.org>> wrote:
>
>     > I agree with this much:
>     >
>     > "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the
>     ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party),
>     who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
>     >
>     > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an
>     impression than abstention."
>     >
>     > But I think it's worth specifically pointing out that voting
>     strategically or pragmatically (some might say "intelligently")
>     does not somehow "corrupt" a person.  People may vote in relative
>     ignorance or fear, and either of those things could have a
>     negative impact on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness
>     as a human being ad member of society, but of course neither one
>     of those things is anything new in human history.  I also think
>     the effect is pretty minor if we're talking about voting, as
>     opposed to the things people may do out of fear and/or ignorance
>     in many parts of the world and in history in order to survive, to
>     get a job, to eat, to protect their families and communities, etc.
>     >
>     > --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I suppose the
>     short-term effect is the same as the above, at least in the case
>     of that presidential elections, which is the vote that has the
>     least impact.
>     >
>     > Ricky
>     > ________________________________________
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>     <mailto:occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net>] On Behalf Of C. G.
>     Estabrook [cge at shout.net <mailto:cge at shout.net>]
>     > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM
>     > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>     > Cc: sf-core; occupycu
>     > Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer
>     and a     job-killer
>     >
>     > ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.
>     >
>     > In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the
>     ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party),
>     who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
>     >
>     > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an
>     impression than abstention.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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