[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer

[C. G. Estabrook]

A parody of Christianity. As the 20th century theologian Karl Rahner put it, the notion that God loves humanity because Jesus is tortured and murdered is material for the psychiatrist's couch, not the theologian's study. We should instead reflect on how and why we make a Christ-killing world (= a kid-killing world). "Just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me” (Mt. 25:40).


On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wait, isn't that the Christianity thing, God getting this great idea for a religion: "I had to kill this kid so people would love me??" Never appealed to me, but it seems to have caught on among some... 
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/29/12, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:
> 
> From: Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
> Cc: "peace-discuss at anti-war.net" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "occupycu" <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Monday, October 29, 2012, 5:25 PM
> 
> Actually, I think you're mixing up the candidate's excuses with the voter's thinking.  The two are not necessarily the same, which is in part the point.
> 
> Ricky 
> ________________________________________
> From: C. G. Estabrook [carl at newsfromneptune.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:52 PM
> To: Ricky Baldwin
> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; occupycu
> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer
> 
> You'd have to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child killer. ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done something bad to me...")
> 
> 
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:
> 
> > I agree with this much:
> >
> > "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
> >
> > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an impression than abstention."
> >
> > But I think it's worth specifically pointing out that voting strategically or pragmatically (some might say "intelligently") does not somehow "corrupt" a person.  People may vote in relative ignorance or fear, and either of those things could have a negative impact on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness as a human being ad member of society, but of course neither one of those things is anything new in human history.  I also think the effect is pretty minor if we're talking about voting, as opposed to the things people may do out of fear and/or ignorance in many parts of the world and in history in order to survive, to get a job, to eat, to protect their families and communities, etc.
> >
> > --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I suppose the short-term effect is the same as the above, at least in the case of that presidential elections, which is the vote that has the least impact.
> >
> > Ricky
> > ________________________________________
> > From: occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net [occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook [cge at shout.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM
> > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> > Cc: sf-core; occupycu
> > Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a     job-killer
> >
> > ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.
> >
> > In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
> >
> > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an impression than abstention.