[Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

Sat Sep 1 21:43:30 UTC 2012

Yeah... but the Manning demonstration is concurrent w/ Obama's nomination; nothing of the sort happened during Romney's... as if we were making a distinction betw the two. 

--- On Sat, 9/1/12, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>
Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>, "Peace" <peace at anti-war.net>, "Stuart Levy" <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 11:34 AM

    One way we can cast this: barring the rapture, we know that of Obama
    and Romney, one of the two will be the next President.  We could say
    that the demonstration is addressing both of them.  Their positions
    with respect to Manning and government-embarrassing whistleblowers
    are probably pretty similar anyway.

    On 9/1/12 10:10 AM, C. G. Estabrook
      wrote:

      I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning
        and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the suppression of
        WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for
        ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) whose positions on
        economic and military matters are inherently identical to those
        of the administration. 

      "Voting for reform-minded candidates should take about five
        minutes, and then we go back to the important work on the ground
        to change the conditions in which the mostly farcical election
        process proceeds" [Chomsky]. --CGE

        On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
          wrote:

                I'm guessing you
                  guys haven't been listening to the Repub Convention
                  speeches, but Romney et al are  FAR, FAR, FAR worse
                  than Obama et al... So how 'bout we save our protests
                  until AFTER the election, and use our energy defeating
                  the LOTS WORSE evils??? It won't significantly affect
                  YOUR lives if the Dems are defeated, but it will be
                  devastating to MILLIONS across the US and the world.

                  --- On Fri, 8/31/12, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
                  wrote:

                    From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>

                    Subject: [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
                    Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th
                    for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

                    To: "Peace" <peace at anti-war.net>,
                    "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>,
                    "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>

                    Date: Friday, August 31, 2012, 11:26 AM

                    The wars go on despite the
                      weather and so shall we (at least we'll try).

                      Expect AWARE and CUCPJ at the Farmer's Market
                      tomorrow morning, 8-noon.

                      And, from 2-4, the AWARE+OccupyCU demonstration
                      will be at its usual first-Saturday site,

                         Main and Neil, downtown Champaign

                         2-4 PM Saturday, Sept. 1st

                      If it turns into a real downpour, we'll retire
                      somewhere nearby for lunch.

                      There's also a nationally-coordinated suggestion
                      for groups to hold demonstrations on *Thursday,
                      September 6th*, in support of Bradley Manning --

                          "Show Obama that Bradley Manning is our hero"

                      Why the 6th?  That's the date of Obama's
                      acceptance speech at the DNC.

                      To make a definite *proposal*, how about:

                         (proposed) Demonstration in support of accused
                      whistleblower Bradley Manning

                         5:00PM Thursday, Sept. 6th

                         Urbana Veterans' Memorial

                             (that's Broadway and Main, or, the NW
                      corner of the block where the county courthouse
                      is)

                      What do people think?   (Could also make sense to
                      complain more broadly about Obama's unfulfilled
                      promise as a peace, civil liberties, etc.
                      candidate from four years ago.)

                      If you like the idea *and* think you can be there
                      for at least part of 5-6PM, please write back
                      (either to peace-discuss at anti-war.net
                      or to occupyCU or to me, but not to the peace list
                      please).

                      If we have at least, say, five people who believe
                      they can do this, then let's go for it.  Meanwhile
                      let's consider Sept. 6th as still tentative.

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