[Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

Sat Sep 1 22:42:46 UTC 2012

The Obama Administration is fully responsible for the torture of Bradley
Manning. Why would we demonstrate against Romney when it comes to
expressing our support for a war crimes whistleblower? Manning is a hero.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Yeah... but the Manning demonstration is concurrent w/ Obama's nomination;
> nothing of the sort happened during Romney's... as if we were making a
> distinction betw the two.
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/1/12, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and
> Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on
> eve of Obama's speech?
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>
> Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "Peace Discuss" <
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>,
> "Peace" <peace at anti-war.net>, "Stuart Levy" <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 11:34 AM
>
>
>  One way we can cast this: barring the rapture, we know that of Obama and
> Romney, one of the two will be the next President.  We could say that the
> demonstration is addressing both of them.  Their positions with respect to
> Manning and government-embarrassing whistleblowers are probably pretty
> similar anyway.
>
>
> On 9/1/12 10:10 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
> I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning and hold off on
> condemning his crimes - from the suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of
> Americans and others - for ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) whose
> positions on economic and military matters are inherently identical to
> those of the administration.
>
>  "Voting for reform-minded candidates should take about five minutes, and
> then we go back to the important work on the ground to change the
> conditions in which the mostly farcical election process proceeds"
> [Chomsky]. --CGE
>
>
>  On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
>   I'm guessing you guys haven't been listening to the Repub Convention
> speeches, but Romney et al are  FAR, FAR, FAR worse than Obama et al... So
> how 'bout we save our protests until AFTER the election, and use our energy
> defeating the LOTS WORSE evils??? It won't significantly affect YOUR lives
> if the Dems are defeated, but it will be devastating to MILLIONS across the
> US and the world.
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/31/12, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=stuartnlevy@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday;
> and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
> To: "Peace" <peace at anti-war.net <http://mc/compose?to=peace@anti-war.net>>,
> "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net<http://mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@anti-war.net>>,
> "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net<http://mc/compose?to=occupycu@lists.chambana.net>
> >
> Date: Friday, August 31, 2012, 11:26 AM
>
> The wars go on despite the weather and so shall we (at least we'll try).
>
> Expect AWARE and CUCPJ at the Farmer's Market tomorrow morning, 8-noon.
>
> And, from 2-4, the AWARE+OccupyCU demonstration will be at its usual
> first-Saturday site,
>
>    Main and Neil, downtown Champaign
>    2-4 PM Saturday, Sept. 1st
>
> If it turns into a real downpour, we'll retire somewhere nearby for lunch.
>
>
>
> There's also a nationally-coordinated suggestion for groups to hold
> demonstrations on *Thursday, September 6th*, in support of Bradley Manning
> --
>
>     "Show Obama that Bradley Manning is our hero"
>
> Why the 6th?  That's the date of Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC.
>
> To make a definite *proposal*, how about:
>
>    (proposed) Demonstration in support of accused whistleblower Bradley
> Manning
>    5:00PM Thursday, Sept. 6th
>    Urbana Veterans' Memorial
>        (that's Broadway and Main, or, the NW corner of the block where the
> county courthouse is)
>
> What do people think?   (Could also make sense to complain more broadly
> about Obama's unfulfilled promise as a peace, civil liberties, etc.
> candidate from four years ago.)
>
> If you like the idea *and* think you can be there for at least part of
> 5-6PM, please write back (either to peace-discuss at anti-war.net or to
> occupyCU or to me, but not to the peace list please).
>
> If we have at least, say, five people who believe they can do this, then
> let's go for it.  Meanwhile let's consider Sept. 6th as still tentative.
>
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