[Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

[Carl G. Estabrook]

Of course we're making a distinction between the two. 

Obama tortured Manning, repressed whistle-blowers, violated the Constitution, expanded the wars, and killed kids. Romney just wants to.

	Between the idea
	And the reality
	Between the motion
	And the act
	Falls the Shadow 

It's up to us to be the Shadow...

"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"  --CGE


On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yeah... but the Manning demonstration is concurrent w/ Obama's nomination; nothing of the sort happened during Romney's... as if we were making a distinction betw the two. 
> 
> --- On Sat, 9/1/12, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net>
> Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>, "Peace" <peace at anti-war.net>, "Stuart Levy" <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 1, 2012, 11:34 AM
> 
> One way we can cast this: barring the rapture, we know that of Obama and Romney, one of the two will be the next President.  We could say that the demonstration is addressing both of them.  Their positions with respect to Manning and government-embarrassing whistleblowers are probably pretty similar anyway.
> 
> 
> On 9/1/12 10:10 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) whose positions on economic and military matters are inherently identical to those of the administration. 
>> 
>> "Voting for reform-minded candidates should take about five minutes, and then we go back to the important work on the ground to change the conditions in which the mostly farcical election process proceeds" [Chomsky]. --CGE
>> 
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>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm guessing you guys haven't been listening to the Repub Convention speeches, but Romney et al are  FAR, FAR, FAR worse than Obama et al... So how 'bout we save our protests until AFTER the election, and use our energy defeating the LOTS WORSE evils??? It won't significantly affect YOUR lives if the Dems are defeated, but it will be devastating to MILLIONS across the US and the world.